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[SFIV1967]

To me "Iced Tea Burst" is a totally different burst, see the Tacoma guitars or the Newark St. Bluesbird.



Also this Les Paul is Iced Tea Burst:



The color of this 2018 Gibson Les Paul Traditional is called "Tobacco Sunburst Perimeter":



Left is a 2003 R9 which Gibson officially called "Faded Tobacco" and right is a 2014 one called "Tobacco Sunburst":



Ralf

 

[geoguy]

Hmmm. Maybe that's a little red at the edge, instead of brown?

 

[krysh]

is there an official definition when a guitar is vintage?
In germany an Antique Car can get a special insurance when it is 30 years old.
Is a guitar vintage when it is 30 years old, or older or younger?

 

[mavuser]

Gibson is pulling sheete out of their ahhs

 

[dreadnut]

according to who?

"tobbaco burst" I would associate with a mahogany top, like a les paul jr or S-100, or a mahogany top acoustic.

Well I asked my buddy to look at the sticker inside and it just says "D35 Sb."

 

[fronobulax]

is there an official definition when a guitar is vintage?
In germany an Antique Car can get a special insurance when it is 30 years old.
Is a guitar vintage when it is 30 years old, or older or younger?

Not that I know of. Same thing for "antique".

 

[Guildedagain]

The Hag that should be here today is definitely "Iced Tea", or what they call "Teaburst" fading to "Lemon Drop".

I'm not sure that Gibson invented all of this terminology because it's been used by diehard Burst collectors for a long time.

 

[adorshki]

Tobacco Sunburst has nothing to do with a mahogany top. Look at all the Les Pauls.
Hans had posted that picture of my '87 Nightbird when he owned her with different pickups and he called her "Tobacco Sunburst" (which was not a regular color code):



Example of a 1995 Westerly Tobacco Sunburst on a spruce top:



Ralf

Well there you go, "TS" on a flattop, a D4 no less, which was their favorite platform for oddball finishes on flattops:

"D4 BLB HR" (also a '95):

And a "Silverburst" according to the Reverb listing (ie, may not be correct), also a '95:

That DV-52 looks a whole lot more like that D4 TS than the "Antique" 'burst, and it appears the primary difference is how dark it gets towards the edges, but both of 'm are definitely brown whereas the "Iced Tea" appears to be punched up in the red a bit, besides being very light.

I'm not sure that Gibson invented all of this terminology because it's been used by diehard Burst collectors for a long time.

Yeah I think there's some "traditional usage" being called out here as opposed to the formal names Guild used, which Ralf and I are trying to demonstrate.

So it goes, no big deal. Can't fight common usage.

"Gosh Batman, this is getting exciting, isn't it?"

 

[Guildedagain]

Very faded bursts like Teaburst or Lemon Drop are actually all the rage, in this faded acid washed jean patina on old trucks nostalgia loving culture of ours.

The D4 looks blue to me, that would be a Blueburst?

Silverburst was a LP Custom finish available for a couple years only, 1978-1980, into '71 slightly, supposedly really affected the tone. I've had a couple, and the tone was oddly different. It was reissued in modern times but the originals really fetch a premium.

I bought one local from a lady one time, off Craigslist, 1980 Silverburst. Nice part of town. I show up in the evening with a wad of cash, and she had a couple heavies hanging out in the living room, obviously there to make sure she was safe.

Story on the guitar was that she bought it for her son, colorful local character with heroin problem who kept hocking it, over and over. She got it out of pawn one last time, and decided to sell it to teach him a lesson.

He was actively looking for it on CL while I had it on eBay, and it sold to a lad in Australia, him and is bandmates were over the moon to get it. The guy in Tool played one of these, and they definitely have a mystique.

They're going for $10-12k now, what? Here's one for $12.5k that weighs over 10lbs. No thx, can buy a whole room full of Guilds for that much much money.

Gibson Les Paul Custom "Norlin Era" Electric Guitar 1970 - 1985 | Reverb

The Gibson Les Paul Customs of the Norlin Era can be diamond-in-the-rough finds for players with a keen eye.

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[chazmo]

Al, just wondering about that first picture above. Isn't that the same guitar as the second one (i.e., blue 'burst)?

 

[SFIV1967]

Al, just wondering about that first picture above. Isn't that the same guitar as the second one (i.e., blue 'burst)?

Yes, he was refering to my post with the TS.
Ralf

 

[adorshki]

Al, just wondering about that first picture above. Isn't that the same guitar as the second one (i.e., blue 'burst)?

Yeah first 2 are the "BLB" I assume must be for "Blue Burst", 2nd pic is of label with actual callout, the 3rd is the "Silver Burst", but I can see now the wording may have been a little confusing.

Ralf was responding to my comment in post #74:
"And I only recall seeing "Sunburst" without distinguishing "tint names" for flattops in the '70's, and only recall "Antique Burst" for flattops (with a couple of anomalous D4's) in the '90's, and only ever recall seeing "Tobacco Burst" on electrics."

And sure enough when a pic of a Tobacco Sunburst flattop showed up, it was on a D4! So I showed my 2 favorite "Oddball finishes" on a D4. Think there was a "Green Burst" too but couldn't find a pic.

The D4 looks blue to me, that would be a Blueburst?

Yeah, as explained above.

There wasn't a good pic of the label of the "Silverburst" to confirm the factory call-out, though. So still not positive that's an accurate Guild color name. Actually looks a wee bit "tan" or "brown" if you ask me...and so does that LP Custom.

 

[SFIV1967]

There wasn't a good pic of the label of the "Silverburst" to confirm the factory call-out, though. So still not positive that's an accurate Guild color name.

It's blackburst, not silverburst. Label reads "D4-BKB BP". Black Burst Black Pearl.




And the Blueburst (BLB) wasn't a HR (handrubbed) but a HP! ("H..."-Pearl ?)



How would this "pearl" or "paua" material be called starting with "H"? Unless the "H" was misspelled and it was supposed to be a "A", so it would be Abalone Paua or Abalone Pearl (?).



Ralf

 

[Br1ck]

I have never laid eyes on or played 80% of the models Guild has ever made. Owned and was glad to be rid of an F 40. Played two or three nice F 30s, several very fine D 55s, a fantastic F 112, and an F 412, or was it an F 312? Two were D 40s and then a D 25, plus my 70 D 35. The D 40s were spaced 15 years apart and I think of them as two different guitars, though the D 55s and the twelve strings were always good. I think the DV designation flies under the radar. Everyone pretty much knows what a D 18 is.

 

[adorshki]

It's blackburst, not silverburst. Label reads "D4-BKB BP". Black Burst Black Pearl.

And here we have a 2-for-1 in Guild sighting lessons:
A: Never assume on-line sellers know what they're talking about. The guy with the Black burst still misidentifies it as grey, and he claims:
"The guitar is very similar to a D-25 in construction, in that it has a solid spruce top and solid mahogany back and sides with the Guild-typical arched back." (Never seen a Guild arched back that wasn't laminated), and
B: Even labels can be confusing or contain outright errors.

Maybe even a "C": Never say never when it comes to Guild. As soon as you're sure they never did something, the exception to the rule pops up. Like a Tobacco Sunburst flattop.

And the Blueburst (BLB) wasn't a HR (handrubbed) but a HP! ("H..."-Pearl ?)



How would this "pearl" or "paua" material be called starting with "H"? Unless the "H" was misspelled and it was supposed to be a "A", so it would be Abalone Paua or Abalone Pearl (?).



Ralf

Also possible the "P" is supposed to be an "R" since the standard D4 finish was "HR" (like the D4 TS HR)
We had a discussion about that same label before, or else a similar issue on a similar finish, trying to figure out what "HP" could have meant.

Or "P" could have been "Pickguard" with the "H" being left open to the owner's interpretation?

 

[SFIV1967]

Also possible the "P" is supposed to be an "R" since the standard D4 finish was "HR" (like the D4 TS HR)

Yes we discussed that before. I just wondered if such a burst in those blue and silver colors could be handrubbed. To me that paste was always something like stain, but not containing solid colors like a solid blue and silver. I'm afraid we still have to wait for Hans' new book...
Ralf

 

[adorshki]

Yes we discussed that before. I just wondered if such a burst in those blue and silver colors could be handrubbed. To me that paste was always something like stain, but not containing solid colors like a solid blue and silver. I'm afraid we still have to wait for Hans' new book...
Ralf
I don't ever recall hearing that the HR paste was tinted, either. Just rubbed on "like a stain", as you say.

Interesting point, just because they could do it on the Tobacco sunburst doesn't necessarily mean it'd work on those finishes.

I assumed the finish was applied over the 'burst, I guess it could be the other way, but seems like trying to apply a 'burst with hand-rubbing would be extremely problematic, or demanding and time consuming at the very least.

Something just hit me:
Hand Painted?

But still wouldn't explain "BP". "Butt Pain"?

 

[chazmo]

I think "HP" is probably "H" "Pickguard", but I don't know what the "H" stands for in this instance. Any guesses?

Actually, I see Ralf's logic if the other one (BP) really is black pearl, I have no idea what HP would mean. I think Ralf could be wrong about BP though. There, I said it.

 

[adorshki]

I think "HP" is probably "H" "Pickguard", but I don't know what the "H" stands for in this instance. Any guesses?

Hide the Pickguard.

 

[Guildguy1965]

They don't come up too often, but keep an eye out for the Tacoma-built DV-6, assuming the Tacoma era falls into what you consider "vintage" territory.

Here's one that was listed on Reverb for $775:

Guild Tacoma Rosewood DV-6 Acoustic Electric Guitar w/ Fishman Infinity Matrix Pickup System DV6 | Reverb

Up for sale is a Guild DV-6 Made in Tacoma Washington w/ Fishman Infinity Matrix Pickup System!I'm selling my Guild DV-6 w/ Fishman Infinity Matrix Pickup System in EXCELLENT to MINT Condition. This one was built in the famous Tacoma factory, and is a quality crafted instrument. This guitar sound...

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Also one on reverb for sale right now (5/22/2021) Tacoma built DV6, looks decent enough @ 875.00 with case. Here’s a pic as well.