This video shows what's under a MIC Guild bridge
So that is a good example using Epoxy on basically poly! Thanks for finding it!This video shows what's under a MIC Guild bridge
One other thing that occurred to me and possibly the most likely reason for the bridge coming off:So that is a good example using Epoxy on basically poly! Thanks for finding it!
Ralf
I don't think there's any surface prep going on here. Like I said, it's a bad news story.One other thing that occurred to me and possibly the most likely reason for the bridge coming off:
Improper/inadequate surface prep. Lots of opportunity for surface contamination to occur in a shop and it can look perfectly clean when actually it's not. Any oily type residue could be invisible to the naked eye.
If they weren't prepping (cleaning) the surface properly I think we'd be seeing lot more of this problem than we have. And I could see that as a step that might get rushed and maybe even overlooked sometimes.I don't think there's any surface prep going on here. Like I said, it's a bad news story.
I don't know what to think, and I'm tempted to say "what did you expect?".Hoo boy. That is not good news. Thanks for finding that, schoolie. Whatever.... talk about poor decisions.
Al, I started this thread having just seen a very obvious case of no prep and gluing straight to the finish.If they weren't prepping (cleaning) the surface properly I think we'd be seeing lot more of this problem than we have. And I could see that as a step that might get rushed and maybe even overlooked sometimes.
It just seems a lot more likely than a bad batch of glue or something environmentally causing the glue to give as I originally suspected.
I don't recall anybody saying lack of prep was responsible for the failure prior to this. All we saw was a failure and I'm simply offering a potential reason for it. We don't KNOW lack of prep was the problem yet. I'm only saying I think it was the most likely cause.Al, I started this thread having just seen a very obvious case of no prep and gluing straight to the finish.
Well, that's the point, schoolie. Manufacturing it like this is folly.It could be that the bridge is adhering to the finish fine, but the finish isn't adhering very well to the wood.
@GGJaguar still did not say where he found this picture in his post #1 in the other thread so we don't know anything about the history of that guitar.
Pic shows intact finish with glue residue:It could be that the bridge is adhering to the finish fine, but the finish isn't adhering very well to the wood.
Well, that's the point, schoolie. Manufacturing it like this is folly.
My point exactly. It's a near miracle you can buy something that closely resembles a guitar and is actually playable for this kind of money, it's unrealistic to expect more than what you're gettingI think there’s a fundamental factor at play here that has nothing to do with Asian manufacture.
These guitars are made en masse to meet a price point. Of course they’re made cheaply - because they’re designed to be cheap. If they made it “the right way” then it would take longer and the price would go up and then some other company would eat their lunch making cheap guitars.
I think we're on the same page, GAD, Walter, mostly... Although I have to say that I disagree a bit that it has nothing to do with Asian manufacture... I.e., no one should be affixing bridges to the finished surface. Cheap guitars are not necessarily made cheaply.I think there’s a fundamental factor at play here that has nothing to do with Asian manufacture.
These guitars are made en masse to meet a price point. Of course they’re made cheaply - because they’re designed to be cheap. If they made it “the right way” then it would take longer and the price would go up and then some other company would eat their lunch making cheap guitars.
When it comes to things like guitars there are only so many ways to save money making them. They are not “made to be played” (I hate that slogan); they are made to be sold, and they are made such that the majority of them survive longer than the average buyer’s attention span. Arguably they should be made to last out the warranty period, and for many cheap products with lifetime warranties, made with such a high profit margin that so long as more then a slight majority don’t get returned it’s all good.
Whether or not these guitars should say Guild on them is a different discussion. IMO the answer to that has always been “no”.
TL;DR: Cheap guitars are made cheaply.