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I have looked at some catalogs but haven't found any details on production of my 1976 F20m - is the "m" mahogany finish a prototype or a short lived edition or just hard to find info on?
Westerly F20m - production info?
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Ya, it is a spruce top like the other F20's!
It's such a good looking finish imo, just haven't seen any other photos of that specific model/finish
It's such a good looking finish imo, just haven't seen any other photos of that specific model/finish
Welcome aboard, warmwisheswes!
Yup, as GG said, the "m" in your model name refers to mahogany-colored stain applied to your spruce top.
Yup, as GG said, the "m" in your model name refers to mahogany-colored stain applied to your spruce top.
SFIV1967
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Welcome to LTG! Guild was sometimes (and until today) strange with names of models, a D-25M could have been the all mahogany version or later the spruce top version with mahogany finish.
The 1976 catalog actually showed an older all mohogany model but already talked about "mahogany finish" and also correctly about spruce top and mahogany sides and back.
The November 1976 was all screwed up, talking about spruce top, sides and back!!! The marketing guy obviously replaced mahogany with spruce and that is how that ended up with spruce sides and back!
Just to compare: A year earlier in November 1975 they talked about all mahogany:
Hans explained the real situation vs his book and the catalogs here:
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Ralf
The 1976 catalog actually showed an older all mohogany model but already talked about "mahogany finish" and also correctly about spruce top and mahogany sides and back.
The November 1976 was all screwed up, talking about spruce top, sides and back!!! The marketing guy obviously replaced mahogany with spruce and that is how that ended up with spruce sides and back!
Just to compare: A year earlier in November 1975 they talked about all mahogany:
Hans explained the real situation vs his book and the catalogs here:
Guild D25 serial number
Looking for a date of manufacture for a D25 with arched back. Serial # 88849. Thanks.
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Oh, wow... I never knew that about all-mahogany D-25M in 1975, Ralf. Were they actually labeled this way, or was that some lettering they just put in the catalog?
SFIV1967
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I'm not a D-25 expert, I'm sure that topic was discussed here in great detail in the past. Also I don't have Hans book in my hands right now, he should also mention it there as it goes until 1977. Could have been the price list in Nov 1975 that was also incorrect.
Here are some old discussions:
A D25 question
Are all 1970s arched-back Guild D25s laminated, or are some of those backs solid hog?
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All Hog D-25 Vs Spruce top...thats not it though.....
Hey LTG, Whats your opinion on the All Hog Vs. Spruce Top D-25s. Also i saw a Guild D-25 thats a hog. but its made in1990... what is this!!! The Wood is definately mahogany.... or sapele (just so im not wrong) :lol: how beautiful is that........ i cant play it before purcahse though...
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Guild D25
Hi, Iam new to the site. I just picked up my first Guild. It was on craigslist and i always wanted one so what the heck. Its a 1974 the serial is 1006xx. My question is, is it uncommon to have a 74 D25 with the arched back and a mahogany top? Also it has the late 60's starfire/slim jim tuners...
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D25 Q's
Recent eBay listings for D25's have gone for $525-$575. A lot of them seem to have "buy it now" options of around $800. Is grabbing a $600 1970's D25 in pretty good shape a good deal? Additional Q's about D25's: When did they move from MAhogany to Spruce top? Or is this a differentiation...
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D25 History Help
So I want an older, all solid (or arch back), all hog D25. Have they always been all hog? If not, how can you tell if unspecified on the listing and the seller is no help? Have they ever been laminate (other than the arch back years which I don't mind)? If not, how can you tell if...
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D15, Mahogany or Spruce top?
Hi - I'm looking at a D-15M which the buyer says has a spruce top. Most of what I find on the internet seems to indicate that the D-15M has a mahogany top. So now I'm confused. Are they all 'hog topped, or is there a spruce topped version? Is the D-15M 'hog and the D-15 spruce? Thanks Dan...
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Ralf
Sorry, Ralf. What I meant was the question of whether an all-mahogany D-25 (of which I'm well-aware, of course) was ever called a "D-25M" on a real label. I would've expected just D-25. I think the 1975 catalog you showed above had the "M" in it as a marketing distinction, not seen on the label ?? I don't know.
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Can we have a photo of this F-20M? Thanks!
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SFIV1967
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That bridge looks nice!
But please turn around that TRC !!! It really hurts seeing it that way!
Copyright: Thunderface
Ralf
But please turn around that TRC !!! It really hurts seeing it that way!
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It took me a solid day to decipher TRC, but I have cracked the code and will switch it aroundThat bridge looks nice!
But please turn around that TRC !!! It really hurts seeing it that way!
Ralf
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adorshki
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Yes we've seen reports of all-hog D25's being labeled "M". Originally I suspected it was due to overlapping production during the change to spruce tops and the known potential to cause label-writer confusion. Don't recall ever seeing a "legitimate" explanation.
Member Spiderman had one he said was a '76. I always thought he must have been mistaken until I saw more mentions and then finally even these price list//catalog references.
Interesting. So, maybe the better question, Al, is whether or not there were any cherry-stained, all-mahogany D-25s. What do you think?
In any case, it's good to know that a D-25M from this period is not necessarily a spruce-topped guitar. I'm pretty sure I would've said that before this thread.
adorshki
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Yep, seen 'em, and they're in that '75 price list as "D25C". Cherry was also one of the original finish colors in '68.
OK, cool. All good to know. Thanks, Al.