Does anyone know if there is a market to re-cycle such wood - Collect old mahogany doors and make them into guitars? Is this wood still acceptable as tonewood?Victor Denance said:My father was working in Nicaragua back in the early 70'.
He remembers genuine Mahogany being harvested in very large quantities in order to make... doors for the US market.
Very sad really.
What "Wood" a Hoboken & Westerly Guild be?
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HoboKen
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Mahogany Doors....into Tonewood......
I think it would depend on the thickness and if any chemicals had been added beyond the immediate surface......any other thoughts??
HoboKen
I think it would depend on the thickness and if any chemicals had been added beyond the immediate surface......any other thoughts??
HoboKen
HoboKen
Member
I think I presented this in a thread about a year ago.
At the risk of "strumming my own guitar," I'll again present my own musical assessment of Guild tonewoods.........after all its more fun than just more bla-bla-bla!
- TALKIN’ BITTEN BY THE 12-STRING GUITAR PLAYIN’ BUG BLUES -
( C / F / G )
‘WAS IN THE MUSIC STORE THE OTHER DAY, REALLY DID NOT INTEND TO STAY,
BUT I SAW THEIR SHAPE UPON THE WALL, SO, HERE’S THEIR STORY, THE WIDE
AND TALL, THERE WAS A “DREAD” IN THAT NEW “NOUGHT,” THERE WAS A
“JUMBO” TO BE GOT, THERE WAS A GUILD, THERE WAS A TAYLOR, THERE WAS A
MARTIN TO BE FAVORED.
FIFTEEN MINUTES THOUGHT I TO SPEND, AND AFTER THAT WOULD BE THE END, OF MY APPETITE FOR NECKS SO WIDE, WITH DOUBLE THE REGULAR STRINGS TOP-SIDE,
TWELVE SLENDER THREADS OF TENSILED STEEL, UPON THE BRIDGE UP FROM THE HEEL, TO “PROOOVE” TO BE MY UNDOING, THESE WOODS OF TONE WORTHY OF PURSUING.
THERE WAS BRAZILIAN ROSEWOOD, INDIAN ROSEWOOD, AND SO THIS AMERICAN “KEN” WOULD, PLAY TRIBUTE TO THOSE WHO HAVE GONE BEFORE, HUDDIE LEADBETTER, BLIND WILLIE McTIEL, LIDIA MENDOZA, PETE SEEGER, ERIC DARLING, BILL SVANONE, JIM “RODGER” McGINN, PAUL SIMON, JOHN DENVER, GEORGE HARRISON, GLENN CAMPBELL,......DID I MENTION LEO KOTTKE!......AND WHO CAN FORGET BARBECUE BOB!!
YES-SIR-EE, I PLAYED ‘EM ALL FOR NO TIME WAS THERE TO LOOSE, ONCE BITTEN BY THAT BUG OF BLUES, MADNESS GREAT DID BEGIN, WHEN REVERB OF STEEL UPON WOOD SWELLED UP FROM WITHIN, TO HOLD AN ORCHESTRA IN ONE’S HAND, WELL, IT WAS JUST TOO MUCH FOR ME TO STAND, OH, WHICH ONE WOULD I CHOOSE, TO SATISFY THIS BUG OF BLUES.
THE TAYLORS, ROSEWOOD, MAHOGANY, AND MAPLE, BRILLIANCE AND BRIGHTNESS WERE THEIR STAPLE, THE MARTIN ROSEWOOD, SMOOTH AND NICE, BUT LIKE THE TAYLORS COULD NOT BREAK THE ICE, ALONE THE JUMBO GUILD IN MAHOGANY OR ROSEWOOD, BOOMED DEEP AND CLEAR AS ONLY IT COULD, AND CUT THE ICE ON THE UPPER END, IN LOUD CLEAR TONES, ITS MESSAGE FOR TO SEND.
OH, THAT DEEP-CLEAR-MELLOW LOW AND MID-RANGE BOOM, COULD ONLY BE DELIVERED IN A JUMBO’S TUNE, WHICH ONE WOULD IT BE FOR ME TO CHOOSE, NOW THAT I HAD BEEN BITTEN BY THAT BUG OF BLUES, YES, WHICH ONE WOULD IT BE FOR ME TO FAVOR, WHICH ONE WOULD IT BE FOR ME TO SAVOR, SETTLE FOR THE MARTIN OR GO FOR THE GUILD, WHICH ONE WOULD IT BE WHEN THE DEAL WAS SEALED.
WELL CLOSE YOUR EYES AND YOUR EARS WILL TELL YOU, YOU DON’T HAVE TO SEE FOR ME TO SELL YOU, ON WHICH ONE IT WAS THAT I DID CHOOSE, TO SATISFY MY BUG OF BLUES, ALL YOU NEED DO IS GIVE A LISTEN, AS TO WHICH ONE IT IS THAT I DID CHRISTEN, WITH YOUR EYES WIDE-CLOSED, YOU’LL GET THE NEWS, ‘CAUSE OLE’ KEN'S JAMMIN’ ON THOSE TALKIN’ BLUES!
YES, “FOLKS,” THE COLONIAL WAS RIGHT! “ITS FINGER-PICKIN’ GOOD!”
HEAR THE USA IN YOUR 12-STRING, AHY! WOULD YOU PLEASE PASS THE JELLY......ROLL....BLUES? .....YOU KNOW, THOSE LEADBELLY-ROLL 12-STRING GUITAR PLAYIN’ BUG BLUES!!!!
(Fade-out)
WHERE'S ROBERT JOHNSON WHEN YA REALLY NEED HIM? ......OH YES! WE NOW HAVE ERNIE HAWKINS AND JEFF KELLY.....LIFE IS SO GOOD IT'S BAD WITH 12-STRING, 12-BAR BLUES....LIGHT BLUES....DARK BLUES....
HoboKen - (CR: 1999)
Jf-55-12
At the risk of "strumming my own guitar," I'll again present my own musical assessment of Guild tonewoods.........after all its more fun than just more bla-bla-bla!
- TALKIN’ BITTEN BY THE 12-STRING GUITAR PLAYIN’ BUG BLUES -
( C / F / G )
‘WAS IN THE MUSIC STORE THE OTHER DAY, REALLY DID NOT INTEND TO STAY,
BUT I SAW THEIR SHAPE UPON THE WALL, SO, HERE’S THEIR STORY, THE WIDE
AND TALL, THERE WAS A “DREAD” IN THAT NEW “NOUGHT,” THERE WAS A
“JUMBO” TO BE GOT, THERE WAS A GUILD, THERE WAS A TAYLOR, THERE WAS A
MARTIN TO BE FAVORED.
FIFTEEN MINUTES THOUGHT I TO SPEND, AND AFTER THAT WOULD BE THE END, OF MY APPETITE FOR NECKS SO WIDE, WITH DOUBLE THE REGULAR STRINGS TOP-SIDE,
TWELVE SLENDER THREADS OF TENSILED STEEL, UPON THE BRIDGE UP FROM THE HEEL, TO “PROOOVE” TO BE MY UNDOING, THESE WOODS OF TONE WORTHY OF PURSUING.
THERE WAS BRAZILIAN ROSEWOOD, INDIAN ROSEWOOD, AND SO THIS AMERICAN “KEN” WOULD, PLAY TRIBUTE TO THOSE WHO HAVE GONE BEFORE, HUDDIE LEADBETTER, BLIND WILLIE McTIEL, LIDIA MENDOZA, PETE SEEGER, ERIC DARLING, BILL SVANONE, JIM “RODGER” McGINN, PAUL SIMON, JOHN DENVER, GEORGE HARRISON, GLENN CAMPBELL,......DID I MENTION LEO KOTTKE!......AND WHO CAN FORGET BARBECUE BOB!!
YES-SIR-EE, I PLAYED ‘EM ALL FOR NO TIME WAS THERE TO LOOSE, ONCE BITTEN BY THAT BUG OF BLUES, MADNESS GREAT DID BEGIN, WHEN REVERB OF STEEL UPON WOOD SWELLED UP FROM WITHIN, TO HOLD AN ORCHESTRA IN ONE’S HAND, WELL, IT WAS JUST TOO MUCH FOR ME TO STAND, OH, WHICH ONE WOULD I CHOOSE, TO SATISFY THIS BUG OF BLUES.
THE TAYLORS, ROSEWOOD, MAHOGANY, AND MAPLE, BRILLIANCE AND BRIGHTNESS WERE THEIR STAPLE, THE MARTIN ROSEWOOD, SMOOTH AND NICE, BUT LIKE THE TAYLORS COULD NOT BREAK THE ICE, ALONE THE JUMBO GUILD IN MAHOGANY OR ROSEWOOD, BOOMED DEEP AND CLEAR AS ONLY IT COULD, AND CUT THE ICE ON THE UPPER END, IN LOUD CLEAR TONES, ITS MESSAGE FOR TO SEND.
OH, THAT DEEP-CLEAR-MELLOW LOW AND MID-RANGE BOOM, COULD ONLY BE DELIVERED IN A JUMBO’S TUNE, WHICH ONE WOULD IT BE FOR ME TO CHOOSE, NOW THAT I HAD BEEN BITTEN BY THAT BUG OF BLUES, YES, WHICH ONE WOULD IT BE FOR ME TO FAVOR, WHICH ONE WOULD IT BE FOR ME TO SAVOR, SETTLE FOR THE MARTIN OR GO FOR THE GUILD, WHICH ONE WOULD IT BE WHEN THE DEAL WAS SEALED.
WELL CLOSE YOUR EYES AND YOUR EARS WILL TELL YOU, YOU DON’T HAVE TO SEE FOR ME TO SELL YOU, ON WHICH ONE IT WAS THAT I DID CHOOSE, TO SATISFY MY BUG OF BLUES, ALL YOU NEED DO IS GIVE A LISTEN, AS TO WHICH ONE IT IS THAT I DID CHRISTEN, WITH YOUR EYES WIDE-CLOSED, YOU’LL GET THE NEWS, ‘CAUSE OLE’ KEN'S JAMMIN’ ON THOSE TALKIN’ BLUES!
YES, “FOLKS,” THE COLONIAL WAS RIGHT! “ITS FINGER-PICKIN’ GOOD!”
HEAR THE USA IN YOUR 12-STRING, AHY! WOULD YOU PLEASE PASS THE JELLY......ROLL....BLUES? .....YOU KNOW, THOSE LEADBELLY-ROLL 12-STRING GUITAR PLAYIN’ BUG BLUES!!!!
(Fade-out)
WHERE'S ROBERT JOHNSON WHEN YA REALLY NEED HIM? ......OH YES! WE NOW HAVE ERNIE HAWKINS AND JEFF KELLY.....LIFE IS SO GOOD IT'S BAD WITH 12-STRING, 12-BAR BLUES....LIGHT BLUES....DARK BLUES....
HoboKen - (CR: 1999)
Jf-55-12
Cool, Ed! May we cover that one?
Good point about chemicals and stuff in the doors and other "tonewood". I hadn't thought about that. A relative has a Brazilian rosewood dining room table they've had for about 30 years. They offered it to us, and (shamefully) I could only think of which luthiers I could call to ask for bids. I politely turned down their offer so that I wouldn't be tempted to arbitrage the table and thereby never be invited to Thanksgiving dinner again.
Good point about chemicals and stuff in the doors and other "tonewood". I hadn't thought about that. A relative has a Brazilian rosewood dining room table they've had for about 30 years. They offered it to us, and (shamefully) I could only think of which luthiers I could call to ask for bids. I politely turned down their offer so that I wouldn't be tempted to arbitrage the table and thereby never be invited to Thanksgiving dinner again.
Graham
Venerated Member
I was just scanning my diningroom thinking how many lovely guitars this would make.
And my maple kitchen, and come to think of it, wouldn't it make sense to have a guitar for camping and such made from PT? There goes the deck.
And my maple kitchen, and come to think of it, wouldn't it make sense to have a guitar for camping and such made from PT? There goes the deck.
HoboKen
Member
"Scalloped Bracing"
As best I can find, the D-30, F-47, DV-52, D-55, D-60, DV-72, DV-73, as well as the Custom Shop D-100, Deco, Finesse, and Valencia had scalloped bracing.
Anyone know of any others?
HoboKen
As best I can find, the D-30, F-47, DV-52, D-55, D-60, DV-72, DV-73, as well as the Custom Shop D-100, Deco, Finesse, and Valencia had scalloped bracing.
Anyone know of any others?
HoboKen
GardMan
Enlightened Member
Beesely (Guitar History vol #5) lists a few other dreads w scalloped bracing:
D-6S, D-52 (different than DV-52), D-55 (only after 1990), D-62, D-64, D-66, D-70, D-80, G-45, Hank Williams Jr (based on D-30).
In jumbos and folks: F-42, F-44, F-46, GF-30, GF-40, GF-50, GF-55, GF-60 (R and M), GV-52, GV-70, S-60 Studio cutaway, JF-50R, JF-55 (R and M), JF-100, JF-100C, JV-52, and JV-72.
I didn't cross-check these with Hans' book. I think many of them are too recent to be included.
D-6S, D-52 (different than DV-52), D-55 (only after 1990), D-62, D-64, D-66, D-70, D-80, G-45, Hank Williams Jr (based on D-30).
In jumbos and folks: F-42, F-44, F-46, GF-30, GF-40, GF-50, GF-55, GF-60 (R and M), GV-52, GV-70, S-60 Studio cutaway, JF-50R, JF-55 (R and M), JF-100, JF-100C, JV-52, and JV-72.
I didn't cross-check these with Hans' book. I think many of them are too recent to be included.
plaidseason
Senior Member
The DV6 may have scalloped bracing as well, Beesely seems to think so too. But it could be just shaved bracing.
iamru02
Member
In the mid 70's, I use to dismantle crates left by the dumpsters that had been used to ship military household goods from the Phillipines. Mahogany crates!. Probably constuction grade but they sure made some nice cabinets and book cases. Never thought about making a guitar from them. Sure got a lot of weird looks as I was busy with my hammer and pry bar.
Mahogany for this simple project was salvaged from freighters bringing merchandise from Asia. It was used as cribbing, pallets & such. A port facility in Portland was giving it away . I caught my brother in law cutting it up for firewood & freaked out.
Increased Port security since Sept 11 has made it impossible for us to get into the facility to obtain more. Likely they are sending it to the land fill or grinding it up.
It's heavier than heck & a pickup load weighs tons.
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HoboKen
Member
"Guildese" (up-date)
If the "M" is before the guitar model number, it means mahogany body and possibly the top as in DM-25
If the "M" is after the model number, it means a mahogany stained spruce top as in Guild D-25M most of the time......
but like the english language, all is not as it seems all the time.
HoboKen
If the "M" is before the guitar model number, it means mahogany body and possibly the top as in DM-25
If the "M" is after the model number, it means a mahogany stained spruce top as in Guild D-25M most of the time......
but like the english language, all is not as it seems all the time.
HoboKen