The difference between models

[mavuser]

Yes. You can see the spruce too when you look inside, along with the x bracing. The GX is not chambered....It is as hollow as a Songbird. Routed mahogany body with a spruce top.

thank you!

is it as fat as the skinny Songbird??

 

[cupric]

I might be totally wrong about this but we need to define "hollow". A Songbird is not "hollow" construction like a flat top guitar. It does not have separate top, back and sides. The back and sides are one piece and "hollowed" out by routing.

I'm pretty sure (short of x-rays), the Crossroad Series FS, DS are "chambered" like the Gruhn Nightbirds. So once again the back and sides are all one piece but instead of being completely carved out there are some support ribs including around the sound hole. The sound hole is all wood and the "bottom" of the sound hole is the "back" of the guitar.

This photo is from this thread:

https://letstalkguild.com/ltg/index...aristocrat-and-bluesbird-construction.199594/

I'm pretty sure the GX's are the same way. They seem awful light and resonant to be solid with just a routed "sound hole". They are also almost as loud as a Songbird when played acoustically.

My home Cat Scan is down at the moment....but I do have my GX available. It is much more routed than the pic. There are no center blocks. The body appears to be less than 1" thick all the way around. It has a x braved spruce top. ..like an acoustic.

 

[mavuser]

can we go back to the Axl Rose guitar? a feeback cover on the skinny Songbird would be unprecedented. maybe it is some sort of pickup system/upgrade? also still have not been Hans'd for calling it a pre-Frank Hannon prototype

 

[cupric]

thank you!

is it as fat as the skinny Songbird??

my Stanley says 1.75" ....measured in sutu.

 

[mavuser]

my Stanley says 1.75" ....measured in sutu.

post #103 says 1"
and
post #105 says 1.75"
?

 

[cupric]

post #103 says 1"
and
post #105 says 1.75"
?

103 refers to the thickness of the routed body, inside to out. It is an estimate as it's covered with the spruce top. 105 is answering the question of top to bottom thickness, as initially discussed earlier. I measured with a Stanley tapemeasure: front to back.

 

[SFIV1967]

The first generation "skinny" Songbird had according to the 1990 catalog a 1 7/8" deep body.

That body size is the same as Beesley gives the GX in his Guitar History Volume 5 book.

Ralf

 

[SFIV1967]

can we go back to the Axl Rose guitar? a feeback cover on the skinny Songbird would be unprecedented.

I looked a bit better at various views.
She has gold hardware, which became standard in 1990 according to Beesley.
Looking at the soundhole I see a kink or wrinkle inside in the middle from bass side to trebble side, that kink moves with the guitar when he moved her, so it's not a reflection of something. But to me that is the dead giveaway what is inside the guitar...

On below picture you see it wasn't a rubber feedback buster, the edge of the spruce top soundhole is clearly visible. So my quick conclusion is, this is a standard Songbird from 1992 or 1993 and that whole body was simply filled with felt to prevent feedback! Now I'm looking forward that I get Hans'ed !

Ralf

 

[Nuuska]

1 7/8 is about right - it varies a bit around the White Songbird - same with Red Songbird - but only maybe 3 to 5/256 inches

Inside space in both is about 1 11/32 thick

 

[Nuuska]

Ralf - that felt filling could well be - while despite being quite feedback-resistant guitar - the Songbird is not at all completely immune to it.

And when we're talking about G&R - it is fair to assume stage volume being quite loud - thus extra damping would serve well.


A little sidenote - what model is that solidbody 6-str with both humbucker and pietzo? I have added a pietzo between neck and body of my Dearmond M-55 - and would like to hear from those who have the Guild factory-made hybrid.

 

[cupric]

1 7/8 is about right - it varies a bit around the White Songbird - same with Red Songbird - but only maybe 3 to 5/256 inches

Inside space in both is about 1 11/32 thick

I remeasured.and 1 7/8" is what it is. With a tape measure its tough. Should have dug out the vernier. ..

 

[grmps]

well it appears I stand corrected on the GX then!

THat's cool, not many people I know would admit defeat. They would still argue. That's Decent of you.

 

[grmps]

can we go back to the Axl Rose guitar? .... ...calling it a pre-Frank Hannon prototype

Well the knobs are on the shoulder not the waist... you all here have said the shoulder knobs are specific to the 92-94 models. Frankie Hannon was playing the songbird on Five man acoustical Jam in '90. That GNR concert footage is no doubt 92-93 maybe even '94. So, I don't know how AXL's guitar could be pre 1990 prototype?

 

[grmps]

So, the $989 SB on reverb sold now, too... but now this one has popped up, and it looks shifty...
the title says 1992 but the description says 2007...
Also, if you look at the serial number on the headstock it says KK001544
But if you look on serial number in the sound hole it looks like a number has been erased and the headstock serial number filled in... specifically it looks like a 5 has been erased after the last 4

Guild 3B Songbird 1992 Black | Reverb

I am selling my 1992 Guild Songbird. I am the second owner. It was used very little but being thirteen years old it does have some very light brush mark if you look hard in reflected light other wise I can find no dings or other signs of wear. Rated it "very good" mo...

reverb.com

 

[mavuser]

So, the $989 SB on reverb sold now, too... but now this one has popped up, and it looks shifty...
the title says 1992 but the description says 2007...
Also, if you look at the serial number on the headstock it says KK001544
But if you look on serial number in the sound hole it looks like a number has been erased and the headstock serial number filled in... specifically it looks like a 5 has been erased after the last 4

Guild 3B Songbird 1992 Black | Reverb

I am selling my 1992 Guild Songbird. I am the second owner. It was used very little but being thirteen years old it does have some very light brush mark if you look hard in reflected light other wise I can find no dings or other signs of wear. Rated it "very good" mo...

reverb.com

the label looks legit if u look close- it matches the headstock. the ink has run from moisture, possibly even a guitar humidifier.

i think the seller mens they have owned it since 2007, as the second owner.

 

[mavuser]

Well the knobs are on the shoulder not the waist... you all here have said the shoulder knobs are specific to the 92-94 models. Frankie Hannon was playing the songbird on Five man acoustical Jam in '90. That GNR concert footage is no doubt 92-93 maybe even '94. So, I don't know how AXL's guitar could be pre 1990 prototype?

in 1986 the FS-20 and FS-46 had the shoulder controls. as such, my thinking was Axls Songbird may have been an early variant FS/SB baby-type...I have also seen a very early Songbird with the prototype serial number ("LL" or "FF"), but that was identical to the first gen skinny/Hannon variant.

I don't know what is going w Axls. Maybe they were trying to mute him altogether hahaa (who knows what they told him it was for! the guy is totally mental)

 

[cupric]

So, the $989 SB on reverb sold now, too... but now this one has popped up, and it looks shifty...
the title says 1992 but the description says 2007...
Also, if you look at the serial number on the headstock it says KK001544
But if you look on serial number in the sound hole it looks like a number has been erased and the headstock serial number filled in... specifically it looks like a 5 has been erased after the last 4

Guild 3B Songbird 1992 Black | Reverb

I am selling my 1992 Guild Songbird. I am the second owner. It was used very little but being thirteen years old it does have some very light brush mark if you look hard in reflected light other wise I can find no dings or other signs of wear. Rated it "very good" mo...

reverb.com

this is a 1992. KK001544 is middle 1992.

 

[SFIV1967]

Frankie Hannon was playing the songbird on Five man acoustical Jam in '90.

It actually was not his own Songbird, he only loaned her, and he didn't like her at all...He's a Gibson man.

"Our gear was in storage when we did the original Five Man Acoustical Jam show, so we used loaner gear. I ended up stuck with some weird black thinline Guild acoustic, and I was never happy with the sound. "

Source: https://www.guitarplayer.com/players/frank-hannon-on-teslas-very-special-jam-in-london

Ralf

 

[mavuser]

It actually was not his own Songbird, he only loaned her, and he didn't like her at all...He's a Gibson man.

"Our gear was in storage when we did the original Five Man Acoustical Jam show, so we used loaner gear. I ended up stuck with some weird black thinline Guild acoustic, and I was never happy with the sound. "

Source: https://www.guitarplayer.com/players/frank-hannon-on-teslas-very-special-jam-in-london

Ralf

thanks. interesting that Hannon does not credit Nancy Wilson of Heart when asked about the intro to "Love Song" on Five Man (Crazy on You), but rather name checks Randy Rhodes

 

[grmps]

It actually was not his own Songbird, he only loaned her, and he didn't like her at all...He's a Gibson man.

"Our gear was in storage when we did the original Five Man Acoustical Jam show, so we used loaner gear. I ended up stuck with some weird black thinline Guild acoustic, and I was never happy with the sound. "

Source: https://www.guitarplayer.com/players/frank-hannon-on-teslas-very-special-jam-in-london

Ralf

That's right!! I remember reading that they got loaner gear, But I never read he didn't like the guild!! That's insane! you'd think Frankie and that guild were made for each other!!