So, Jimmy Page had 2 F612s

[Guildedagain]

Not Jimmy, he was better looking and made better faces ;]

Page is not the poster child for the "imperfect world" Guild speaks of.

The Donovan displays the Carter picking picking he showed John and Paul at Rishikesh in 1968, shortly before they wrote a boatload of tunes - like Dear Prudence - that were pretty outrageously good and released the White Album.

The Guild heard is uber classic. Sounds like mine, all jangle and overtones, what Guild describes in the sales brochure as "brilliant" ;]

 

[Bernie]

Why would it be surprising to see Page with a Guild Twelve string ? Isn't it that Guild 12 strings have been considered as the best 12 strings in a long time, or when did it start then ? This being said I have no idea of who is right or wrong...

 

[5thumbs]

Oh, that's great! A Jimmy Page impersonator? Close, but I'd say that's not him.

If that was really Page, I think we would have heard about it by now - Guild would have been advertising his Guild use all over the place!

Also, if it was him, could they use his likeness without acknowledging him? That seems unlikely.

walrus

Tim Buckley?

 

[SFIV1967]

Tim Buckley?

Certainly possible as well...



Ralf

 

[Bernie]

No Chesterfield logo, and Jimmy Page has this peculiar haircut, with this opening (I don't know the right word) on his left side...

 

[walrus]

Two other possibilities.

One, it's just a guy with a Guild 12 string.

Two, less likely but more entertaining, Guild said, "let's find a guy who looks like at least 3 guitarists everyone knows, just to mess with everyone".

walrus

 

[F312]

One thing for sure, it's a guild 12 string guitar, but not necessarily in an imperfect world as of yet.

 

[fronobulax]

Two other possibilities.

One, it's just a guy with a Guild 12 string.

Two, less likely but more entertaining, Guild said, "let's find a guy who looks like at least 3 guitarists everyone knows, just to mess with everyone".

walrus

Option two is pretty plausible. Consider all the things advertisers (and others do) when they want to use "something" but don't want to pay to license it. If it actually is a "famous person's" likeness and they have permission to use it then they are going to drop a name, right? That is likely enough IMO that I'm not going to try and spend time figuring out who it isn't. The fact that there are a couple candidates suggests Guild got their money's worth from a "generic" model who resembles several people well enough that no one knows for sure but people are talking.

 

[SFIV1967]

As @walrus had reported already in 2017 the booklet to the 2015 released "Soundtracks" contained a picture of a F-512 marked guitar with F-612 appointments, which is a F-512 Spec. and not a F-612.

Here are the pictures of all his guitars he used on Soundtracks:









Maybe it was indeed that F-512 Spec. that he found as replacement of the mentioned stolen 1971 F-612? In the video there was only talk that he found a replacement, it didn't say he found a F-612 as replacement.

Ralf

 

[walrus]

Thanks, Ralf, I had forgotten about that necro-thread!

So many possibilities...

And I said within that older post, "Now an Internet search brings up no information of Page using a Guild 12 string - please show me a link if you have one!".

walrus

 

[SFIV1967]

And I said within that older post, "Now an Internet search brings up no information of Page using a Guild 12 string - please show me a link if you have one!".

That quest is still valid today! Have not found any link...
But the 2015 booklet proofs he owns and used the F-512 Spec. in his home studio, so the story that he originally found a 1971 F-612 at Manny's is pretty convincing to me.

Ralf

 

[hansmoust]

That is the F-512 Spec. that used to be owned by John Entwistle.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl

 

[Midnight Toker]

Plus his Brazilian "Giannini GWSCRA12-P Craviola" (on "Tangerine" from Led Zeppelin's third album, and Page also used it on stage for the performance of this song in 1971 and 1972.) and the Manson Triple Neck by Andy Manson (used for the live "Unledded" performance).

Ralf

Yes, the Giannini he used occasionally in 71-72, but it hasn't been seen after then. Definitely not for the recording of HOTH. And the Manson, that was WAY after Zep. Same brothers that made John Paul Jones's triple neck for the Zep acoustic set in 77. The one brother Hugh went on to build most of John Paul Jones's custom basses that he uses to this day. I met him when he was also JPJ's tech on the Zooma tour on several dates in 2000. Great guy. Still have his business card.

if he owns a Guild 12 string....he likely does. He likely owns many Guilds. He owns countless guitars. Used a Guild on on a Zep record? I seriously doubt it.

and that Guild ad pic is MILES from looking anything like Page. Just saying.

 

[Midnight Toker]

As @walrus had reported already in 2017 the booklet to the 2015 released "Soundtracks" contained a picture of a F-512 marked guitar with F-612 appointments, which is a F-512 Spec. and not a F-612.

Here are the pictures of all his guitars he used on Soundtracks:









Maybe it was indeed that F-512 Spec. that he found as replacement of the mentioned stolen 1971 F-612? In the video there was only talk that he found a replacement, it didn't say he found a F-612 as replacement.
In any case he still had that F-512 when Soundtracks was recorded by around 2014/15 in his home studio in Plumpton where also parts of "Over the Hills and Far away" were prerecorded back in 1972 by Jimmy before he drove to Stargroves meeting the others for completing the recording of the album. So the F-612 part could have been pre-recorded in Plumpton back in 1972 and hence that F-612 was not in Stargroves. Just a possibility.

Ralf

The soundtracks set is a from two film projects, one from Kenneth Anger's Lucifer Rising, which was introduced to Page in 72...but took years to get rolling because Zep was too busy. Most of it was recorded closer to 76, and was a mess. The other soundtrack was of course Death Wish II from the 80's. So again, no proof a Guild was ever used on a Zep track.

 

[JohnW63]

So, Midnight,

Did you watch the 5-watt world episode or not?

 

[Midnight Toker]

As @walrus had reported already in 2017 the booklet to the 2015 released "Soundtracks" contained a picture of a F-512 marked guitar with F-612 appointments, which is a F-512 Spec. and not a F-612.

Here are the pictures of all his guitars he used on Soundtracks:









Maybe it was indeed that F-512 Spec. that he found as replacement of the mentioned stolen 1971 F-612? In the video there was only talk that he found a replacement, it didn't say he found a F-612 as replacement.
In any case he still had that F-512 when Soundtracks was recorded by around 2014/15 in his home studio in Plumpton where also parts of "Over the Hills and Far away" were prerecorded back in 1972 by Jimmy before he drove to Stargroves meeting the others for completing the recording of the album. So the F-612 part could have been pre-recorded in Plumpton back in 1972 and hence that F-612 was not in Stargroves. Just a possibility.

Ralf

Jimmy owned the Plumpton House from 72-80, and didn't really get to move in until the march break after the Feb stint in Australia, then came the Euro warm up dates and the 8th US 72 tour. I don't think he actually had a working studio at the Plumpton place until closer to 74, to be honest. Every picture of him in his Plumpton studio is from 74-80. All other studio activity from the band was elsewhere, including mixing, until Plumpton gets mentioned for mixing much later on.

 

[Midnight Toker]

So, Midnight,

Did you watch the 5-watt world episode or not?

yes I did, and it's full of .....1/2 accuracies. Just some guy reading a script as fast as he can. First off, the guy they claim as being Page's guitar tech from the mid 70's on (Craig Curbo??) ....bullshit! Just like loads of other guys on the internet that have made claims of working w/ Zep (most famous and recently outed Jeff Ocheltree that for years claimed to be John Bonham's drum tech and actually put out videos on Bonham's tuning and setup and all....John's son Jason seems to have have had enough and finally said, no one in the Zep world knows who the F this guy is! For YEARS people kissed Ocheltree's butt, now he's stolen valor scum...and rightfully so!

FACT! Jimmy Page's guitar tech for almost all of Zep's tenure (from when he even had a guitar tech) was Ray Thomas. From the 1980 tour over Europe on through the 80's, Page employed Tim Martin to handle all his gear. That guy they claimed to be his tech...was NOT! Never worked for Page , ever. Maybe he worked in a shop that did work on one of his guitars, but that's about it. The internet is full off bullshit artists, especially when it comes to Zep. Maybe it's because most of their history is shrouded that some folks think it would be fun to insert themselves into the lore of one of the world's biggest selling bands. Not so fast! There are big $$$ collectors I know that have Zep's detailed tour itineraries, crew listings, hotel bookings, flight schedules...you name it. If your name isn't on there, you didn't work for Zep. Period.

 

[7GuildsandanSG]

Looks more like Tim Buckley

 

[Nuuska]

Just like loads of other guys on the internet that have made claims of working w/ Zep

Oh this reminds me of a hilarious tragedy that I was witnessing few years ago. I have been sound man for last 17 years for a finnish band that started about 1975 - they have been very popular since beginning.

So we were called to be surprise act at a birthday party. We arrived to scene - the band slipped unnoticed into backroom and I started to set up gear with another guy. Secret was well kept. There was also a troubadour / MC - he knew of us. And he had this plot . . .

The "birthday hero" had been telling around that when he was younger he had played in this band - which was bullshit. By the time we were about to show up he took this poor guy in front of everybody and started to interview him - everybody in the room was paying attention. So the MC handed his acoustic guitar to this guy saying - since you're the ex-guitar player of this famous band - can you play us some? Poor guy hardly knew which way to hold the guitar - no speaking of playing - it was plain horrible.

Then MC raised his voice and asked - what say you in the backroom - could this be your guy? The band yelled NO and marched on stage and started playing. I felt so sorry for the guy - sure he had been lying all the years - and some had even believed him. But it was his birthday party and supposed to be happy event. Not for him. People got some good laughs, tho.

 

[walrus]

Who is this in the 12 string ad? It almost looks like Jimmy Page but I'm not sure... (and it's not a F-612 obviously).



Ralf

While I was looking through Guild ads, I found this Reverb seller claiming that it's jimmy Page in that ad - of course, he's trying to sell it!!

https://reverb.com/item/45278437-19...amed-guild-12-string-jimmy-page-original-rare

walrus