Significant 12 strings

taabru45

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The following review was taken off Harmony Central, the price? Did someone say twice the guitar at half the price? :shock:
I think this says it all, regarding Taylor and Guild... from one who has them both! :wink: Steffan



Product: Guild D4-12
Price Paid: US $450
Submitted 02/03/2004 at 05:03pm by Paul Kramer
Email: samkan<at>epix dot net

Features : 8

This guitar looks about ten or more years old. I haven't had time to research the seriel number.

This is by no means a fancy guitar. Just black dot inlay, black headstock lettering and the traditional guild shaped pickguard. Yet, its an extremely handsome guitar, sort of transcending definition of an ordinary dreadnaught.

Sound : 9
I've a Taylor 455 that I've never been totally happy with and bought the Guild D4-12 based on a review comparing the Taylor and Guild twelve-strings. I am knocked out. Even though the strings on this unit appear to need replacement, the sound is supurb. The tone is even through the base, mid and treble ranges. I'm a finger stylist and its as if I'm playing a piano and hitting every note with eqaual force. Cannot imagine how great it'll sound with new strings.

Action, Fit, & Finish : 8

It fits the descriptions I've read of a solid, sturdy and relatively heavy guitar. It seems twice as heavy as a Martin DM-12 that I owned ( and which sounded too thin for a twelve string). It reminds me of an old little Stella that I had as a teen, thick and tough as a fireplug.

Some may not like the thickness of the neck but even though I've small hands, I've no trouble playing this guitar.

Reliability/Durability : 10

As I've already indicated, this guitar may as well be made of petrified wood.
It'll be playing long after I'm gone (I'm 50).

Customer Support : No Opinion

Can't say, though I've heard good things about Guild

Overall Rating : 9

Understand I'm not generous with 9's and 10's like many - leaves no room left at the top. I'm just so please with the Guild D4-12 because it seems like it was made by people who really cared about their craft and product.
 

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Roman,
I'm trying to figure out your comment. I understand we're biased towards Guild here...heck, it's a Guild forum. At the same time, I love 12 string guitars and base my comments comparing my Guild 12s against two Martin and two Taylor 12ers. I've since sold both Martins and one Taylor. As previously posted, I still have a 355 which, although a very nice and easy to play 12, can't compete in terms of volume and richness (I like a bassier, robust sound). My F212, for example (not an XL model), is similarly configured, mahogany cutaway etc. yet when compared to the jumbo 355, outperforms it rather handily. This opinion is shared by my picking friends (not Guild owners) who have played both. I sold the other 355 several months ago because I thought this one was the better of the two. Although I have not compared the 512 side-by-side, I can't imagine a Taylor that could equal the projection. If I found a Taylor 12 that could outperform that rosewood jumbo, I'd probably buy it... I'd appreciate any side-by-side comparison you can provide... Thanks...
 

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Roman said:
You guys need to face reality . . .
Which is? Reality is a subjective matter as well, don't you find. Needless to say Guild has amongst the most vibrant tops on the market and hadn't that been they wouldn't have been so successful as 12-strings, I'm sure. Also their double trussrod system would point out they're serious about 12-strings in a way no other manufacturer is. As for me I never cared much for Taylors, not even the 6-strings, that IMHO sound incredibly thin. With Taylors sounding thin, Gibbons tinny and dead, Martinis stiff and low resonating, Larry-Veys open and fluffy sounding... what's left? I spy with my little eye something beginning with G (that is not a breed of primates ;) ).
 

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Believe me . . . I have all the respect and admiration for Guilds. I have recently set up a couple old Guilds (D-55 and F-50 Brazilian Rosewood (I believe it was an F-50). They were both from the late 60's. Anyway, what can I say!!! Sweet!!!

What I'm referring to here is today, not yesterday . . . Look around, you'll see more Taylors out there . . . That's all I'm saying. I'm not inferring that one is better than the other . . . that's purely subjective.

I do like my Taylors though :D and I sure like my Guild D-55 . . . my problems is, I like 'em all!!
 

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Scratch said:
sitka_spruce said:
Scratch said:
comparing my Guild 12s against two Martin and two Taylor Guilds.
Biased indeed. :D A bit fast on the input fingers as well, it would seem? ;)

Thanks for the catch Jonas! Corrected as it should be... :oops:
Sorry, I just couldn't help it. :D The deer just stood there so I had to take the shot. Thought it said where your mind (and heart) was at the time of posting. :wink:
 

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I certainly didn't want to start a Guild vs Taylor thread here. Perhaps my original post didn't provide enough context. The article, "The Magnificent Seven," discussed seven guitars that had had major impact on acoustic guitar building and playing. Other guitars featured were the D28, Martin OMs, Ramirez; can't remember the others - don't have the article in from me. There may be gap in my guitar history education (Lord knows there are other gaps), but it seems to me Guild 12 strings have had a greater impact on 12ers in the last 50 years than Taylors have. (I would suggest that Taylor's contributions and impact have been in other areas, such as construction technology.)

FWIW

Bill
 

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sitka_spruce said:
Roman said:
Of course the "screw Taylor" remark wasn't called for . . . at all.
If anyone is to be screwed that would be those who nominated Taylor. Taylor can't help they got nominated, can they? As said though, this isn't the time nor the place for cursing and namecalling.
Hi Jonas; that would depend on whether they paid AG or not; anyone got any idea how much Taylor pays AG for advertising? You aren't suggesting that 6's remark hurt the self-esteem of Taylor guitars are you? :wink: Cheers. CJ
 

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Bubby,

re: JF55-12 vs. F512... No difference, they just changed the model name at different times. However, you will only find an abalone soundhole rosette on the JF version (they never put that on the F512). Not all JFs have the rosette though.
 

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Bubby,
I can't figure out the top on that G212. Does appear to be a nice one; however, from what I can see...
 

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Could it be runout?

I have seen runout where one side is a different shade or color compared to the other but not like this one.

It almost looks like part of the guitar got more sun than the rest of it.

The color is the same in different shots, so I doubt it was just reflection, or camera angle.
 

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Bubby said:
... whats up with the discolored top on this '75 G212?
Hi Bubby; not really discolored; those are book-matched halves that were formerly facing each other in the log. Closer to the center of the log v. further away, used for aesthetic effect. Something like the 'goal posts' seen on some tops where the bridge coincidentally intersects strong vertical grain lines in book-matched pieces. Not for everyone one but I don't think its a defect in any respect. CJ
 

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I picked up a D4-12 at a local pawnshop for 5 bills and I can't put it down. I keep it tuned to D and it's quite simply the best sounding 12 string I've had the pleasure of playing. The neck is very comfortable and the action is low, so it's all good.
Pick on....
 

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6L6 said:
Screw Taylor!
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Roman said:
Of course the "screw Taylor" remark wasn't called for . . . at all.

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Offside, unsportsmanlike conduct, hurting of feelings all around, illegal immigration, what is a bippy anyway?

Sorry Taylor, kissabooboo.

S'OK?
 
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