NGD: Westerly Collection D-1212

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A while back I stupidly sold my G-312 thinking I wouldn’t need it since I had the F-412 and Martin Grand J40-12. Those two guitars could keep anyone happy, but they are jumbos and have a jumbo sound. I missed having a dreadnaught 12er. They sound more like a double-tracked 6-string guitar and it’s a useful sound. The one thing I definitely didn’t like about the G-312 was the large profile, double truss-rod neck. The modern, single truss rod Guild 12-string neck really has me spoiled.

I didn’t want to break the bank on a 12-string that I knew would get less playing time than the jumbos. The only current offerings by Guild are the Westerly D-1212 (solid African mahogany body and top, non-cutaway, no electronics) and the D-2612CE (laminated Maccassar ebony archback, solid spruce top, cutaway, electronics). I think the only American-made Guild that is in this price range is a used D4-12, but those don’t show up often and they have the chunky, double truss rod neck. I didn’t want a cutaway or electronics so the D-2612CE was out. I generally don’t like the sound of mahogany-topped guitars (Martin 000-15SM and D-15SM are exceptions), but the D-1212 has gotten some love on LTG. The sound bites on YouTube were decent, too, so that was enough for me to take the plunge on a used model. It’s definitely an attractive guitar!

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The D-1212 took over for the short-lived GAD D-125-12 in 2015. It’s an all-mahogany dreadnaught made from solid woods, in this case, African mahogany (khaya, sapele, sipo aka utile, okoume). Ever inquisitive, I contacted Guild and got the following response: “After reaching out to my products team, I can confirm the African Mahogany that we use is, in fact, Khaya wood.” So there you have it. Khaya is an excellent substitute for Honduran mahogany (they are in the same family) and has many of the same properties. When it’s quarter sawn, it has the ribbon grain as on the D-1212.

The top bracing is scalloped Sitka spruce which is unusual for a 12-string. There are two tone bars and they are scalloped as well. Normally, 12ers are stoutly braced due to the extra string tension and I have to wonder about how the guitar will hold up over time with the lighter bracing. The neck is African mahogany (probably khaya) with a rosewood fingerboard. A rosewood bridge (and maple bridge plate) with compensated bone saddle and a bone nut complete the package. The finish is gloss polyurethane.

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There was some tweaking of details since 2015 and you can check them out in the table below. There are two specifications to note. The first may just be an error, but if you believe Guild, the D-1515 was fitted with “twin single action” truss rods from 2015 to 2019. This implies the neck has two truss rods. In 2020, the spec changed to “Dual-Action” which implies a single, double action truss rod. My guitar has a single truss rod. I’m skeptical that two truss rods were used on earlier versions mainly because the GAD D-125-12 had a single truss rod. Why totally redesign the neck and then go back to the original version? Maybe the spec should have been written “Single, twin-action” rather than “twin single action”?

The second and perhaps most important, is a change in the body dimensions. Again, if you believe Guild’s literature, this took place in 2019 when the depth at the lower bout increased by 1/4” (6.4mm) with a corresponding decrease of 1/4” at the upper bout. The overall length of the guitar decreased by 1” (25.4mm). Why did Guild do this? Was it to “improve” the tone of the guitar? Or was it a mistake in the specs and the deeper lower bout was in use all along? Maybe @Cougar can measure the body depth of his D-125-12 to confirm if the Guild specs are correct or not. :)

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Of course, those specs are nominal measurements. My guitar differs from them slightly. Another important feature to note is the guitar comes with a polyfoam gig bag instead of a hardshell case. The bag is better than nothing, but I much prefer to have my acoustics in a hard case and my D-1212 now lives in a very nice Gibson case that I had laying around. And if you’re wondering – the answer is no, a Guild will not burst into flames if it is in a Gibson case. :)

Okay, enough with the nitty gritty and onto the usual stuff. The fit and finish is excellent and the inside of the box is very neat and tidy. There is no glue squeeze out, no saw dust and the braces are smoothly finished. Heck, the inside of my Eastman E20P (made in China) and Guild D-4 (made in USA) isn’t as neat as this guitar. The quality of the mahogany and rosewood appears to be good in terms of structure, but aesthetically I’d call it B grade. The polyurethane finish is smooth as glass, but a little thick, IMHO. Still, I’m super impressed with how well it was put together and finished.

One thing that’s a little odd is the way the rosette is constructed. The little pieces of abalone are rectangular and just placed end to end. That’s an easy way of doing it, but I can’t help to think about how exhausting on the eyes, hands and mind that must be.

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The Marvel die-cast tuners are smooth and work well with no excess play. The compensated saddle is perfectly vertical and cut high enough to allow the action to be lowered, if necessary. The guitar was set up well and nothing needed attention. I don’t know if it came from the factory like this or if the dealer set up prior to purchase. Either way, it’s just right for me.

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Like most (all?) of the Westerly and Newark Street series, the neck has scarf joint construction for the headstock and heel. The headstock veneer looks black, but it’s very dark (stained?) rosewood. The neck profile is a shallow C shape and probably one of the slimmest acoustic 12-string necks I’ve played. Although it has a wide nut, the fingerboard is easy to navigate and would be a good choice for a 12-string beginner. The heel is relatively low profile which would make it easier to get to the 12th fret if the strap button didn’t get in the way.

Compared to the G-312 and F-412 you can see from the specs below that the D-1212 neck is slimmer and has a flattened “C” profile compared to the rounder profile of the vintage and recent Guild models. The difference between the D-1212 neck and the other necks can easily be felt.

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This guitar is one of the easiest acoustic 12-string models I’ve played. It does take some time to adjust to the wide nut width, but the 1 7/8” width is pretty much standard for most acoustic 12ers (electric 12-strings are another story). The thinner profile definitely makes it easier to navigate the wide neck.

The slim neck would make the D-1212 a good choice for players either intimidated by an acoustic 12-string guitar with a seemingly aircraft carrier-wide neck or those who might have struggled playing older Guild 12-string models with the chunky, double truss rod neck.

Before I go into how the guitar sounds, let me say that I’m still amazed this guitar has scalloped bracing with only 2 tone bars. My G-312 had robust straight bracing with 3 tone bars. Maybe Guild unnecessarily overbuilt their dreadnaught 12-strings in past, but this one is not. The lighter build lets this guitar sing. The D-1212’s sound has more harmonic content than the G-312, yet is well-balanced. The bottom is strong, but not overpowering and there isn’t too much top end jangle.

The guitar is reasonably loud, though the sweetest tones come in below maximum volume. The mahogany top has a pick attack that jumps right out and there is less note “bloom” as with Sitka-topped guitars, especially the jumbo 12-strings. You get all the goodness at once with the volume decaying more quickly than with a spruce-topped 12er. That’s not to say it doesn’t sustain well (it does) and it’s not a flaw, it’s not bad, it just is what it is and I’d bet most people wouldn’t even notice.

Guild’s demo video is pretty good at accurately capturing the sound of the guitar. If you like what you hear in the video, you’ll be happy with the sound of the guitar in your hands.



So, is the D-1212 a good replacement for the G-312? Yes and no. Certainly the low profile neck makes it easier to play than the G-312 and that may be its biggest advantage. Tonally, the G-312 feels more direct and aggressive in a rock and roll way while the D-1212’s tone is more complex. The G-312 is also a bit louder than the D-1212. The D-1212 is definitely stronger in the midrange, but never sounds muddy, even with all the overtones generated (scalloped bracing!) unless it’s strummed really hard. Overall, I think the D-1212’s sweet voice is more versatile than the G-312, but the G-312 has a better “clean” double-tracked 6-string sound.

Okay, so this Guild was made in a giant factory in China. If all labeling was removed and it had a thin finish like my Eastman, it could pass as a guitar made in North America or Japan. I wish my first acoustic guitar (Madeira) was made as well and sounded as good as this guitar. If it did, I might still have it today. The polyfoam case is fine for around the house, but I’d want something more substantial for travel to and from jams, gigs, open mic night, etc. Overall I’m impressed, I’m delighted and I recommend checking out the D-1212 if you want a great, easy playing Guild dreadnaught 12er at a nice price point.
 
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Very nice review. Although not a huge 12er fan, I have one of these as well. It's the only 12er I have now. I think that for the money it provides a lot of tone and there's plenty of voice/volume to suit my purposes. It's a fine looking guitar that is well made and serves my purposes well. I don't at all mind the polyfoam bag and in fact I like it quite a bit. A HSC would be better but I don't often times leave the house with my guitars so it works fine for me.

Congrats on your purchase!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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That's a great review, GG. It looks really nice. I get why they would do the rosette like that, allowing them to use many smaller pieces so there's far less waste, but it does look different up close. Still, from a distance I'm sure it's fine. The wood looks super nice and I love the color. Congrats, and thanks for the information. This would be a great reference for anyone considering one!! (y)(y)
 
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Maybe @Cougar can measure the body depth of his D-125-12 to confirm if the Guild specs are correct or not. :)
For upper and lower bout width and depth, I only agree on one of the four listed measurements. My measurements go out to the edge of the binding.

Upper bout depth: I get 3 7/8". Guild says 4".
Lower bout depth: I get 4 7/8". Guild says 4 1/2".
Upper bout width: I get 11 1/2". Guild says 11 1/2".
Lower bout width: I get 15 1/2". Guild says 15 3/4".

So my lower bout depth is 3/8" more than Guild says.
And my lower bout width is 1/4" less than what Guild says.
I measured the lower bout width several times. No way is it 15 3/4" LOL!

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Thanks for checking the dimensions on your guitar! Mine are definitely off a little from the nominal specs listed in the catalog.

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Great review! I just had a D1212 in my shop and was very impressed with it. That one had dual truss rods. I have a G-312, which is a beautiful sounding instrument, but I've considered parting with it several times because of its massive neck. ...and I like fat necks.
 

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Last time I held a GAD (or maybe it was a 100-series) 12-string in my hands was probably 7 or 8 years ago, and it had dual truss rods accessed through the sound hole -- no TR cavity on the headstock, that is. I actually really didn't like what I was seeing as those truss rods looked kind of crappy. But, anyway, have they changed over to a single truss rod in any of the Newark Street 12-string models since then? I think stormin is saying that the D-1212 has two... @wmachine what about your F-1512?
 

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I think stormin is saying that the D-1212 has two
Yes and that jives with the specs for 2015-19 that I posted (but was skeptical about). Guild changed to a single, dual-action TR in 2020 and that's what's on my D-1212.
 

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I have a feeling there were also factory changes for those Westerly Collection models. But we have not seen any new hangtags so far, I had only seen GREE hangtags. So whoever buys a new one should ask if there is the original factory inspection hangtag.

That was the only style I know with the "GR" for GREE around.

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So what "factory" is your D-1212 from? G1, G2, G3?


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Oh, cool, GG... I see exactly what you're saying. Thanks!

I note that your spec sheet mentions that the 2014 GAD D-125-12 had a single, dual-action truss rod. Interesting, if true.
 

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Last time I held a GAD (or maybe it was a 100-series) 12-string in my hands was probably 7 or 8 years ago, and it had dual truss rods accessed through the sound hole -- no TR cavity on the headstock, that is. I actually really didn't like what I was seeing as those truss rods looked kind of crappy. But, anyway, have they changed over to a single truss rod in any of the Newark Street 12-string models since then? I think stormin is saying that the D-1212 has two... @wmachine what about your F-1512?
Thanks for giving me a good excuse to pull my F1512 out of the case. Been there untouched for probably 2 months. I surprised and pleased that it appears to be still perfectly in tune! And playing it again just reaffirms how great it really is! Webpage spec is for "Dual action" and it does have just one, accessed though the sound hole.
 

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Webpage spec is for "Dual action" and it does have just one, accessed though the sound hole.
"Dual action" means just one truss rod! Don't confuse it with two truss rods.

The New Hartford models had the access in the headstock and just one truss rod nut:

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"Dual action" means just one truss rod! Don't confuse it with two truss rods.

The New Hartford models had the access in the headstock and just one truss rod nut:

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I did not confuse it in the least. I said "it does have just one". No confusion there.
 

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Congrats GG, that is a good 12er, I loved the one I had, but I am just not that into 12 strings so I sold mine. Wish I knew you were in the market, woulda got you a deal:)
 
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