GGJaguar
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That indicates the guitar when to refurbishment center and was given a new s/n because it was no longer under warranty. @Ralf just explained this in another thread.
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That indicates the guitar when to refurbishment center and was given a new s/n because it was no longer under warranty. @Ralf just explained this in another thread.
plaidseason
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When I bought my last house I decided to unload a guitar to get some extra cash, and elected to sell my custom shop F30rls instead of my F44. Honestly, the F30rls was/is an incredible guitar, like Santa Cruz/Collings level great. But the F44 is a better all-arounder, as well as an amazing guitar in its own right. It's really the only guitar I'm bonded with for life.
I've mentioned this elsewhere as well, but I also regret not picking up GF30 at a "friend of the dealer" price last year. I actually ran into another friend at a gig last week who said the same thing.
SFIV1967
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Correct. That new number on the label shows it went through MIRC.
MIRC refurbished guitars should be in general fine but there are exceptions.
Ralf
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Sounds like they grabbed the wrong body . Both traditional and Valencia state 16 inch lower bouts .
Well I guess there’s the ever reliable CV-1 and CV-2 lol
You like sound of It I believe GG and the F30 body can keep up with bigger body guitars if need be .
Worse part of this is how you would sell it for and it’s description but it could all work out .
it’s pretty
Well I guess there’s the ever reliable CV-1 and CV-2 lol
You like sound of It I believe GG and the F30 body can keep up with bigger body guitars if need be .
Worse part of this is how you would sell it for and it’s description but it could all work out .
it’s pretty
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Westerly Wood
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I imagine that model was quite rare.
SFIV1967
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Started to show up in the 2006 catalog.
Feb 1, 2007 pricelist:
Still in the Jan 1, 2011 pricelist:
But production of the first generation GAD models stopped in later 2011 and was replaced by the 1xx GAD series for 2012.
So there should be quite a lot of that GAD-F-40P model around in 6 years of production.
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I got to say, the GAD series by Guild was pretty much the only MIC acoustic I thought were a total success. Regardless of manufacturer/maker/brand.
adorshki
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Started to show up in the 2006 catalog.
Feb 1, 2007 pricelist:
Still in the Jan 1, 2011 pricelist:
But production of the first generation GAD models stopped in later 2011 and was replaced by the 1xx GAD series for 2012.
So there should be quite a lot of that GAD-F-40P model around in 6 years of production.
Ralf
Good call, thanks. Didn't realize there was actually a difference between 'em!
(See your PM, Aecon)
adorshki
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NEVER> that was an F30 spec. Something's wrong somewhere and it's possible it may have been mislabeled before it got to MIRC and it's actually an F30.
But since the seller also can't see Tacoma plainly on the label, I now see 2 red flags. I'm 99.9% certain the seller isn't being straight with you, and/or doesn't know what they've got or how to ID it properly. How about a photo with the ruler across the lower bout confirming body width?
Something else I forgot to mention last night: we're used to seeing incorrect specs on GuIld listings because Guild did change 'em from time to time without changing the model number, and some sellers simply cut and paste the first spec sheet they can find that has their model number on it, not realizing some specs varied by year. THIS is the best place on the planet to be sure the correct specs for the model/year you're looking at are found. Between us all, somebody's got the real scoop and if 2 guys agree it's basically a "lock" that what they say is the "truth"
Also, until roughly a couple of years ago, there was no one place that had collected and presented the comprehensive price and catalog collection our host GAD scanned and posted on his website.
It was scattered all over the net with huge gaps in "coverage", and what was there was for the most part hard to find and tedious to use to boot (thinking of the wayback Machine, for example). So in some ways some sellers can't be blamed although I believe anybody selling something has a responsibilty to be sure the statements they make about their product are correct.
One last note: Earlier you said the Guild website showed 'em as having a 15-1/4 lower bout. But if you were using that screen shot, I think what's really going on is that the ellipsis (...) right after the F40 description indicates there's text there not being displayed. I think if you actually clicked on the link you'd see that the specs actually turn out to be for an F30. It's just showing you the front and tail-end of the "hit", I bet.
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Tacoma *is* plainly on the label.
Could definitely be mislabeled, but that's a MIRC'd guitar from Tacoma -- indeed, definitely not 2014.
Could definitely be mislabeled, but that's a MIRC'd guitar from Tacoma -- indeed, definitely not 2014.
JohnW63
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"I can't match the serial #? "
That's because that sticker is not the original serial number. That guitar was sold as a "2nd" from the factory. It was to have had some blemish or defect that made them decide to sell it as not "new" and not come with a warranty. It could be nothing but a finish issue. You are right about it being from Washington and not from 2014 at all. That would be 2004-2008.
That's because that sticker is not the original serial number. That guitar was sold as a "2nd" from the factory. It was to have had some blemish or defect that made them decide to sell it as not "new" and not come with a warranty. It could be nothing but a finish issue. You are right about it being from Washington and not from 2014 at all. That would be 2004-2008.
adorshki
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I'm rootin' for the vintage GF25 he mentioned earlier.
adorshki
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I suspect some of 'em were even liquidated as simply unsold stock just to get the factory cleared out. For sure that happened when they closed Corona, and through MIRC back then, too.
JohnW63
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That would be the nice type to get, Al. Did Tacoma put the serial number on the block under the neck as well?
SFIV1967
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That's not entirely correct! This guitar and all MIRC refurbished guitar were NOT sold by the Guild factory as second to a dealer. Guild sold them to MIRC either because they had any kind of defect like a finish defect or like it happened they had too much left over stock which they would not want to deal with after closure of a Guild factory, so they sold them without warranty to MIRC. After "refurbishing" or simply relabeling (and branding as USED) MIRC sold them to a dealer and a dealer sold it as a refurbished guitar.
Guitars sold as seconds or B-stock from the factories to dealers had different signs to them!
Ralf
SFIV1967
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That guitar in question definitely looks like a Tacoma F-40, look at the "flat" and wide bottom, the F-30 had a round bottom. And I bet it's 16" and the seller just quotes something he read on the internet when saying 15 1/4".
Ralf
adorshki
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Funny you should mention the pic because the bridge caught my eye. At first I thought the bridge was a give-away that it was an F30.That guitar in question definitely looks like a Tacoma F-40, look at the "flat" and wide bottom, the F-30 had a round bottom. And I bet it's 16" and the seller just quotes something he read on the internet when saying 15 1/4".
Ralf
Had to go look at some pics to ascertain that in fact the Tacoma F40's had that bridge, had forgotten about that. Even the Tacoma F47 got the little "points" on the bottom.
I appreciate everyone's take on this. Everything that's been said here makes complete sense. My honest take, I think this dude really just doesn't know what he has. I don't get the Impression that he's trying to pull anything over on me or anything, but bitter line, I'll just have to make the 3 hour trip to check it out myself because I don't want to take any chances. Here are the rest of the pics in case they spark anything else that someone might recognize
