Couple of thousand people here need your prayers.fire threat

[john_kidder]

:lol: I'm really enjoying this conversation......and haven't typed a word :lol: it's been tough......just taking it all in. A very difficult discussion to have without getting political John. The entire so called "global warming"....(or is it "climate change" this week) issue, IS politics.

Actually, West, the politics is just a sideshow. Little pots to p*ss in for little self-interested p*ssers. Small time, small potatoes, little bitty human being stuff.

This is actually about the biosphere. It really doesn't carewhose particular industrial or political point of view is the loudest or feels the most threatened or has the most money or guns or any of those trivial things that we find so important. Naw, it doesn't even care if the Commmies win, or if the John Birchers take over, or if the Trilateral Commission and the Rockefellers have been secretly funding the overthrow of all the governments in the world in favour of some as-yet-unidentified aliens. All that is not relevant to the environment, not relevant at all, except that we little tiny beings think it actually trumps nature. Now there's hubris for you.

Politics could be important here if people learned to care about the planet as a whole. Until that happens, it's just going to be more little penny-ante "nations", like yours and mine and all the others, trying to maintain competitive advantage instead of dealing with an issue that truly is, right now, affecting the entire planet.

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[john_kidder]

"global warming"....(or is it "climate change" this week) When it starts getting cooler, it's "climate change" you know.

West, the scientists themselves, poor buggers, starting calling it "climate change" when "global warming" sounded too scary for the politicians.

But it is, and remains, and becomes ever more so, anthropogenic warming of the biosphere. Only those who believe that their interest in the economic or political status quo outweighs all other considerations remain in denial.

 

[john_kidder]

Apologies to all.

I seem to have been seduced once again by my own ego into hijacking another thread. I will not make further comments here about things other than guitars.

My tongue will bleed with the biting of it, but so it goes.

 

[capnjuan]

I couldn't believe what I was hearing on the commentary last night when a talking head was asked what would become of the clunkers. He actually said, "Well, some will be parted out to vehicles that may need a water pump or other parts". So what he was saying is that we'll use some of them to help keep others of them on the road. :x

Hi Pike; I don't know where that speaker got his information but the salvage on the clunkers is limited to catalytic converters and radiators/heat exchangers. Otherwise, the fluids are drained, engines spoiled, batteries pulled, and the vehicles flattened. Will there be abuses? Will people still fart in elevators? :wink: J

 

[dreadnut]

When I was a little muchacho, I remember reading in my Weekly Reader: "Lake Erie is dead, we've killed it with pollution. It will take thousands of years to recover, if it recovers at all." That was really disturbing to me, even as a young child.

Well, now Lake Erie one of the best walleye fishing lakes in the country. I think our planet is much more resilient than many would like to believe. But, global warming or not, common sense tells us to reduce fossil fuel consumption, quit sawing down Brazil, etc. How about we just be good stewards with the resources we've been blessed with simply because it's the right thing to do? Like many other issues folks disagree on, progress will be best made when we find common ground and move ahead.

 

[Pike]

Hi Pike; I don't know where that speaker got his information but the salvage on the clunkers is limited to catalytic converters and radiators/heat exchangers. Otherwise, the fluids are drained, engines spoiled, batteries pulled, and the vehicles flattened. Will there be abuses? Will people still fart in elevators?

Good deal capn, I had an idea the fellow was at least misinformed...

 

[killdeer43]

As Steffan and John pointed out on Sunday morning, the wildfires continue to burn out of control in British Columbia. Let's think about all those good folks who might lose everything they have and send some positive energy their way. They're going to need a lot of time to heal from this onslaught.

Joe

 

[john_kidder]

Went to bed last night in Ashcroft (we're about 50 miles in straight line from Lillloett), about 95 degrees, air full of smoke, moon blood red and barely visible. About 10 o'clock a fifteen-to-twenty knot westerly wind came up, must have caused hell on the firelines. Up this morning at 5:30 to drive to the coast, sunrise looked just the same as moonrise last night - a red disc through the yellow cloud.

Feels weird, sort of apocalytpic somehow. Where's the rainmaker when you need one?

 

[Pike]

sunrise looked just the same as moonrise last night - a red disc through the yellow cloud.

Ack!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx6S6zW0fE0

 

[capnjuan]

Hi Pike; I don't know where that speaker got his information but the salvage on the clunkers is limited to catalytic converters and radiators/heat exchangers. Otherwise, the fluids are drained, engines spoiled, batteries pulled, and the vehicles flattened. Will there be abuses? Will people still fart in elevators?

Good deal capn, I had an idea the fellow was at least misinformed...

Hi Pike ... my bad too ... apparently it's ok to re-cycle 'crash' parts - doors, fenders, and bumpers ... thanks probably to the auto insurance boyz to save money on repairs. J

 

[Pike]

Check it out guys... I'm not a Glenn Beck fan, but sometimes he's right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05lrfiUdbZ8&feature=related

 

[Scratch]

Check it out guys... I'm not a Glenn Beck fan, but sometimes he's right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05lrfiUdbZ8&feature=related

Wow.... That's scary... I'm staying off that site; how many others are out there?

 

[West R Lee]

 

[john_kidder]

Muffled sounds of pain as tongue is bitten once again.

 

[capnjuan]

Check it out guys... I'm not a Glenn Beck fan, but sometimes he's right. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05lrfiUdbZ8&feature=related

Wow.... That's scary... I'm staying off that site; how many others are out there?

Would be scarier if it were true ..... On the opening slide, it reads: "DJ Hopkins Creating Stuff For The Hell of It" Waddya think they meant by 'for the hell of it'?.

Link to the Clunker program page http://www.cars.gov/

You can see what's on the Clunker page ... don't know what the donate-car-to-government page says but somebody has intentionally confused the 'Clunker' program webpage for another. Can't win w/ Mr. Beck; the Feds have to disclose the degree of surveillance so that hackers and varmints can't later claim that they didn't know they were being watched while they were trying to cheat, hack, or defraud the Gummint; they're damned if they issue a warning ... damned if they don't.

 

[West R Lee]

Muffled sounds of pain as tongue is bitten once again.

Ah, I hate it when you do that John, fire away .

West

 

[killdeer43]

This pretty little town (Lillooet, B.C.) in what is regularly one of the hottest spots in Canada, Lovely area, but very dry, the town is being evacuated because of a forest fire threat. Don't know what more to say, but if you have any sway, or think you might, these people would love to have you pulling for them. Prayers, good wishes, focus... etc. Thanks....I sure wouldn't want that for myself or any one else for that matter....Steffan
http://www.lillooetbc.com/

This was Steffan's original post.
Where/how did it turn away from his thoughts about prayers and good wishes and the plight of a small town in British Columbia into what it has become? :?

Joe

 

[Graham]

This pretty little town (Lillooet, B.C.) in what is regularly one of the hottest spots in Canada, Lovely area, but very dry, the town is being evacuated because of a forest fire threat. Don't know what more to say, but if you have any sway, or think you might, these people would love to have you pulling for them. Prayers, good wishes, focus... etc. Thanks....I sure wouldn't want that for myself or any one else for that matter....Steffan
http://www.lillooetbc.com/

This was Steffan's original post.
Where/how did it turn away from his thoughts about prayers and good wishes and the plight of a small town in British Columbia into what it has become? :?

Joe

Veerage! It's one of the things we do best.

 

[Pike]

Would be scarier if it were true

Yeah, sorry, I should have taken a better look at that.

http://www.snopes.com/computer/internet/clunkers.asp

 

[taabru45]

Here are more fires more up north, way closer to Alaska than Washington..actually almost on the border of the southern arm.

.pictures here. Steffan
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/gallery/html/bc ... oto_6.html
I heard on the radio that at times the fire near Lillooet fire was moving at 100 meters a minute,
Thats about 130 yards a minute, or about the same speed of most of us on a good day. :lol: