The difference between models
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SFIV1967
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Correction: Only the FS-46 has a solid body. But the GX series have a "Hollow body". Using Bonneville88's pictures here. See also the 1990 catalog.
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mavuser
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They have a "Hollow body"! See also to the 1990 catalog.
Ralf
the contol cavity is hollow...but the rest of it i didn't think so. I will let current GX owners chime in on this.
The FS-46 and FS-20 are not hollow but have that same control cavity.
they are all "hollowed out" in the soundhole area.
the Songbirds are like, "acoustic hollow"
grmps
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That's what I thought too. Or a sound dampener...That might be simply a feedback buster in the soundhole of that Axl Rose one?
Ralf
grmps
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SO basically the only hollow part is the sound hole... everything else is solid?
SFIV1967
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The catalog also shows: "X-bracing" for the GX-series. That would hardly be possible if it would not be hollow.
On the FS-46 the soundhole is basically just stylized.
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mavuser
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would be unprecedented for a first gen skinny songbird, but, possibly so
The Guilds of Grot
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I might be totally wrong about this but we need to define "hollow". A Songbird is not "hollow" construction like a flat top guitar. It does not have separate top, back and sides. The back and sides are one piece and "hollowed" out by routing.
I'm pretty sure (short of x-rays), the Crossroad Series FS, DS are "chambered" like the Gruhn Nightbirds. So once again the back and sides are all one piece but instead of being completely carved out there are some support ribs including around the sound hole. The sound hole is all wood and the "bottom" of the sound hole is the "back" of the guitar.
This photo is from this thread:
https://letstalkguild.com/ltg/index...aristocrat-and-bluesbird-construction.199594/
I'm pretty sure the GX's are the same way. They seem awful light and resonant to be solid with just a routed "sound hole". They are also almost as loud as a Songbird when played acoustically.
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The GX is hollow. It's basically a long scale, bolt on neck, Songbird. This is the one I just purchased here. It is a player for sure.....( My guitar, not my picture)
The Guilds of Grot
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Yeah, I don't know about that. Mine seems kinda light to be solid.
mavuser
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they are light guitars- these I am positive about. "FS" Folk Solid
The Guilds of Grot
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Huh! I always thought the "S" stood for "Skinny"!
So tell me how this guitar...
weighs considerably less then this guitar...
when the body is the same thickness but at least 1-1/2 times the area?
mavuser
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Huh! I always thought the "S" stood for "Skinny"!
So tell me how this guitar...
weighs considerably less then this guitar...
when the body is the same thickness but at least 1-1/2 times the area?
well it looks like one has spruce and mahogany and the other is either a solid block of ash or maple, loaded with heavy hardware and magnets, for starters...
The Guilds of Grot
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This is fun!
M-80 is a maple cap on a mahogany body. So it would come down to the spruce versus the maple plus the weight of the electronics and hardware. Maybe you're right, they just never felt solid to me but what do I know, I can't tell the difference between an 1-11/16" and 1-3/4" wide nut!
mavuser
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i'm still not totally convinced that the GX is quite as "acoustic" or "hollow"as a Songbird. it may very well have hidden hollow chambers, and if so i stand corrected there as that appears to be the case...but on a GX, can u look inside the sound hole, under the top, and see the entire inside of the body, like on a true acoustic? I believe a Songbird is like that- even if the back and sides are "one piece." I post this not to drive a debate, but if anyone reading is actually considering a purchase.
the FS series have the rear cavity, and the routed soundhole. they are a cool design and "chambered" in that regard. maybe the FS-46 has some hidden pockets but I did not think so. in any case, they all evolved into the Songbird.
the FS series have the rear cavity, and the routed soundhole. they are a cool design and "chambered" in that regard. maybe the FS-46 has some hidden pockets but I did not think so. in any case, they all evolved into the Songbird.
The Guilds of Grot
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This is why I was trying to define the word "hollow"! I believe the GX series are "chambered" as I stated in post #88.
SFIV1967
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You both missed the first part of my post #86 I have the feeling. How do you explain the X-bracing with your theory to me? How would you X-brace that X-rayed Bluesbird that you posted as example? Just wondering.
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Yes. You can see the spruce too when you look inside, along with the x bracing. The GX is not chambered....It is as hollow as a Songbird. Routed mahogany body with a spruce top.
mavuser
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I cannot speak to X-bracing, or Guild's definition of same- with regard to a GX, I can report however that a very well informed rather Guildy bird once told me when I was at the time considering a GX for myself, that "you may want one with a little more air moving thru it, like one of the Songbirds" (which don't have so much air moving thru them...)