WTB: Guild X500T (Paladin's Model) also other x-500s

kakerlak

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I knew ya'll'd be talking about this one on here sooner or later. And, yeah it does look heavily used. I too noticed the bridge all the way down. It "looks" like the action is about right, but doesn't leave much margin. You might have seller measure string height. The other thing is that the neck might have a fair amount of relief in it, in which case bringing it close to straight or 100% straight might give you some more bridge height.

The funkiest looking thing is the shot of the neck heel. You can't really tell what's going on there, if it's just a gone-funky binding cap on it, or some sort of piece of wood or who knows what added there. The glue joints around the neck there look sort of sloppy too and it's hard to tell it that's just a binding degradation issue or something else. It's possible this thing may have had an amateurish neck reset, which could either be failing or could have been poorly seated, resulting in less back angle and higher action/lower bridge height.

If it were mine, I'd probably go the cheaper route and have the binding reglued rather than replaced. Having a luthier make the complicated multi/cross ply binding is going to be big, big money and it'll look too fresh on such a worn guitar. If it's mostly there, it can be tacked back down with glue and at least give you the peace of mind of not worrying about breaking it off by brushing against it.

An aside on binding:
I've got a '67 Gretsch Tennessean that's binding was crumbling big time, loose in a few spots and would just flake away if you touched it. It's a great guitar and oddly has a solid neck joint where most of them have started to give way. I made a week-long project of arresting the binding loss.

Knowing that I'd never get around to spending the bucks on a re-bind and would also not play the guitar much with the existing binding so fragile, I decided to shore it up. I ran super glue very carefully over just the binding, filling flush any craters and tacking back down any loose spots. It would soak in quite a bit, as it had become so porous from its disintegration process. I'd just do one part at a time and then let it rest with that part horizontal until dried. I hung it from the ceiling by a string from the strap button when necessary. It was slow going and a couple of the bigger craters/fissures took several applications to bring flush. It worked out well, though and cost me like a dollar in super glue, lol. It still looks as cracked and discolored as it did before, but it's rock hard and I don't have to worry about it now. Since it's both sealed on the outside and super-glue infused throughout, I'm hoping that I've slowed or stopped the process altogether. Something to keep in mind. The old Guild binding does a lot of shrinking and it's common to see the binding pulling away at the waists and cutaways, even curling up at the ends if they've come loose, true of even '70s models. I haven't seen any that were absolutely crumbling like Kluson tuner buttons or the Gretsch stuff (but haven't handled many 50s Guilds), so you probably don't need to do what I did, but a lot can be done by a competent luthier, a heat source and some super glue.

I don't have good close-ups of the binding, but here's the guitar:

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Nice Gretsch!

I should stress that the heat idea is just a possibility -- it may well be too hard and stiff to work, and it's something I'd leave to a pro in any case. There's probably a fairly small window of both time and temperature where you can work with it without making the problem worse.

Not sure about soaking it in a solvent -- my hunch says it would just soften up the outside and not be flexible enough, but I really have no idea.

Someone's gotta pick up this guitar....
 

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Nice Gretsch indeed. Especially the way the board goes with the top. I want my 6120 back. But I don't have the Ameros.

John,

If you got a neck re-set, would that solve the problem?

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kakarlak,

If the binding has pulled away and curled up, will heat straighten it out so it will lie back down?
It's possible this thing may have had an amateurish neck reset, which could either be failing or could have been poorly seated, resulting in less back angle and higher action/lower bridge height.
If so, then resetting a bad neck reset would be an iffy proposition, no? Is it possible that a bad neck reset could never be fixed?
 

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Darryl Hattenhauer said:
kakarlak,

If the binding has pulled away and curled up, will heat straighten it out so it will lie back down?
It's possible this thing may have had an amateurish neck reset, which could either be failing or could have been poorly seated, resulting in less back angle and higher action/lower bridge height.
If so, then resetting a bad neck reset would be an iffy proposition, no? Is it possible that a bad neck reset could never be fixed?


Yeah, it usually can be heated and re-seated, but I bet it's a fine line and something to leave to a luthier. I had mine do that to a curling headstock overlay on my SFXII and it worked great! To some extent the binding may stretch a little to allow it to go back into the waists and cutaway, but probably not much. Usually what a good luthier will do there is to cut it, heat it and re-glue it, then cut a wedge of binding to go into the gap where it was cut (since the laid-flat pieces will leave a gap b/w them equivalent to the amount the binding has shrunken in length.)

As for a neck reset, this can definitely give you more back angle to allow a taller bridge, as the luthier will have control over this with the neck and body separated. Just discuss with the luthier what bridge you'll be using, yor preferences, etc. and he can take that into consideration.

As for a bad neck reset being a permanent problem, it isn't usually non-reversible, but if it's been done with epoxy or superglue, it might be very, very difficult to remove the neck without damaging the instrument, in which case you might be in trouble. There's no way to know that until a luthier goes in and starts trying remove the neck, unless you can confirm with the person who did the repair. What I was saying earlier is that, if there was too much glue in the joint or it wasn't clamped together strongly, the neck may not have been seated down all the way into the joint, which would generally tend to result in less back angle, and higher action/lower bridge.

Of course, nobody knows if this thing had a neck reset anyway. It's one of those guitars that you'd really, really like to have in hand before buying.

The possible best case on this one might be to contact the seller if it doesn't make reserve and, if you can agree on a price, arrange for them to take the guitar to a reputable local shop for in-hand evaluation. You could make the deal contingent upon certain criteria and, if particular problems are found, you can use it to try to negotiate down from whatever price you settled on if the issues weren't present.
 

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Danny F said:
"Back after a long hiatus. I'm still searching for an X-500T. "

Hi Danny,

This Sunburst was recently listed in E-Bay: X-500T
It wasn't listed as a "T" but sure looks like one. It seems steep to me @ $2,595.00, though the seller claims it's "new old stock".
 

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Before anybody buys it, you'd need to know if the pups and Guildsby were added later. The seller might think they are, but he could be wrong. I'd want to see pics with the pup covers off to see if there are other screws holes or routing, and pics around the end block with the smallsby off. I wouldn't trust a label with a "T" because it could have been added.

Did they make the 500T in sunbust?
 

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Thanks guys, just waiting on some pics and response from the seller now.

It seems VERY steep to me too and this is the first time I've seen a Sunburst, but hopefully this pans out!
 

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Looks like the real thing to me Darryl... They're the Duncan antiquity P90 covers, the pickup spacers I haven't seen on anything else than Guilds, and a recent-issue Guild spec. Bigsby bridge..

A little steep indeed, yes.
 

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This guitar looks very tempting. Is the price really that steep at $2600.00, or am I missing something. My 1960 x350 cost me $3000.00 US plus duty and shipping (same with this guitar as well) plus the refret and electronic work (pickup potting and cap locating and clipping) cost me $700.00. I would love to A/B this guitar to a similar franz equiped vintage model. I have a feeling that I will always prefer my x350, but I would love to have this one in the stable. There is not much available in the marketplace for these type of guitars - big hollowbodies with p90's and bigsbys, and I dont see many franz equipped guilds come up, and if they do they usually need work, which as I know from personal experience, escalates the price fast. Even with the weak us dollar, we still pay more for guitars of this ilk in Canada. Our retailers will not match us prices.
 

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My sincere apologies to everyone who wanted that 500T. I have wanted one (or a vintage 500) for the last 9 years, and I decided it ws finally my time. So I just bought it. 8)

As for the price: This is what they fetch thee days. The last on that sold on eBay went for 2800, the previous one for 2700. While I wish the entry ticket was lower, I guess we should be happy that Guilds are finally being valued properly. Of course, being Norwegian I will be hit with a 25% sales tax when the guitar comes to Norway, so that is another 700. At least the exchange rate is low at the moment.

Geir :)
 

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Congradulations, Geir!
Looks like a great guitar.
 

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Congratulations Geir!! I know you have been looking and lusting for one of these for a long time, and I am sure you will be rewarded with many hours of enjoyment. If it makes you feel any better about the expense, I would not sell my X500T for that price. What amp will you be using it with?
Tom Moll
 

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Thanks! At the moment I have a Mesa Nomad 45, which is a great all round amp. But I am going to sell another guitar (a Fender 90s Thinline) and purchase a Princeton Reverb reissue, or maybe one of the small Victoria amps or similar. Since I only play in my home studio these days I want something that breaks at neighbour friendly volumes...

It took some days for me to get used to the idea of a sunburst one, (not that I don't like sunburst finishes, but it is the first 500T I have seen in one), and as always I wrote the seller and awaited his response before bidding. I half waited for someone less patient to grab it before me. But after bidding on half a dozen of these plus countless vintage 500s and 550s it was finally my turn.

Geir :)
 

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Well, I did want it but also didn't have the guts to hit the BIN button without better contact with seller. I got that in the end (probably at the same time as telegeir) but just a hair too late for me.

Oh well, it looks awesome so congrats on the git! Maybe the next one will have my name on it...

Thanks for the initial heads up and advice guys and the search continues.
 

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That actually has been a showstopper for me on several occasions. I never buy something unless I have a satisfactory response from the seller. I am sure I have lost a couple of good deals that way, but better safe than sorry. And yes, I suspected that the seller was answering more people than me when he first did so, so even though I had thought of some follow-up questions I decided not to let this one go.

Well, at least that is one less competitor for you next time around... :)

I will post photos when it arrives. (Usually takes some time to get to here, I have stopped paying for "overnight" delivery because they never get here in time anyway. The worst was the time when i paid for overnight shipping with FedEx. After three days there was no sign of it and I called them. Turned out they had sent me an invoice by snail mail(!) for customs fees to be paid before they would deliver. Things have improved now, usually the shipper will advance the fees and let you have the shipment immediately.)

Geir :)
 

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gusto said:
congratulations. good price for a mint x500t
Thanks Gusto. I believe we have bid on the same ones before you got yours, without succeeding either of us.

Geir :)
 

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Congrat's Geir! That was a good deal on a great guitar.

It's nice to see these Guilds get the respect they deserve but you pay for it when looking to buy. There's no way I would part with my Paladin for $2,600. I was watching the auction too and had asked if the pups and bigsby were original. Here was part of his reply:

The P90'sand bigsby came on the guitar from the factory. I don't know where the guitar was built...It is " new old stock " with a two digit serial number.

I've seen a couple X500T's in Antique Burst finish but more in the Standard Blonde. I believe they even made them in a Tennessee Orange finish but haven't come across one of those yet.
 

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i thought they came in sunburst, orange, and blonde. seemed right to me. nice guitar either way. with a BIN price like that i would have jumped on it in a heartbeat.
 
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