the story of my stolen D55s

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Nice to have a support group like this CJD, because some conversations lead into a necessity to stay with a friend for a night or two......we understand.....and good luck with that conversation..... :lol: :lol:
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taabru45 said:
Nice to have a support group like this CJD, because some conversations lead into a necessity to stay with a friend for a night or two......

And Steffan would like you to bring your guitars with you :D Even the Taylors - they could help keep the house warm now that winter is about to descend on the snowy, barren Canadian wastes :mrgreen:
 

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Uh Jerry its not that barren around here.
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and this was taken of an old 1800s homestead about 350 miles from here. in the Caribou country......nice eh? Steffan

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cjd-player said:
fronobulax said:
Grot - you'd never get the chance. The poor guy would still be inside looking at the stack of cases and paralyzed with indecision trying to pick an armfull.

Brilliant, Frono !! :D

You've really nailed it:
The best way to prevent guitar theft is to have so many that the thief will be unable to decide which to take.

I'm gonna tell my wife right now. :mrgreen:

Anyone heard from Carl lately? :shock:
 

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plaidseason said:
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plaidseason said:
For a country with huge percentage of people who consider themselves Christians, we are a pretty violent bunch.

I've had stuff stolen and each time I've wanted the thief to be caught and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But never once have I wished to physically harm or kill them.

-Chris

I pray for theives almost everyday Plaid, but there comes a time in which you need to defend yourself and your property. In the real life example in which Joan gave for instance......when the burgler climbed onto the roof and enters her home through an unlocked atrium door. What if Joan had been home at the time? Comes a time when you can't pray them off your property....and things can happen very fast. I can give many other examples. We love our families and value our property, those things are worth whatever it takes to protect them. Left alone, I personally think we're a very peaceful bunch. For a violent bunch, check out the Middle East.

West

I'll stay away from the Middle East debate. That's a pretty big can of worms.

I do agree with your "things can happen very fast" argument - I share common friends/aquaintences with two families who were killed in home invasions and both stories are about as nightmarish as anything I've ever seen/heard.

I'm just not impressed with the sort of callous, or at least casual, humor and comments like "Texas is one of the few states in which you can shoot a burgler in retreat."

Would I defend my family by any means necessary? YES

Would I shoot a guy who was running out of my house with one of my guitars? Not a chance.

-Chris

Chris,

That's awful! I'm sorry to hear that.

Unfortunately, I know exactly what you mean about not finding a certain subject funny. Once you've been touched by it, there's nothing funny about it. For me, both alcoholism and suicide are subjects which I cannot find funny anymore.

In any case, not to belabor the point, I don't think I would shoot someone running away with my guitar(s) either. However, if they were in my house... that's another story.
 

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If my life was threatened or my wife or other family members were in imminent danger I would do whatever I had to do to defend them. If I had no choice but to take a life to defend theirs or my own I would without hesitation. That said, it would still be a tragedy, and I would likely spend the rest of my life wondering if there might have been another way to resolve things.

Would I take a human life to defend some material goods? I certainly hope not. There are only two reasons to do so, anger and vengence. Anger never leads to a good outcome and vengence (if you are a Christian) is the responsibility of a higher authority.
 

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Welp, sorry some of you don't agree, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm pretty proud of Texas' stance on the issue, obviously I'm not the only one that feels it's a good thing to protect your family and property here....it's the law. Would I shoot a man for stealing a guitar from my home on his way out the door?.........in a heartbeat. Would I enjoy it, no. Would I stick a smiley face next to a post, any post......anytime. :D

Have a nice day.

And Grot.....do you know where each guitar of yours is? :wink: Would you know if you were missing one :?: :idea:

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I once had guys in my house with guns and knives... lost a very old Epiphone, among other things. The interesting part was that one guy wanted to kill us and another was telling him not to, as murders get investigated a lot more aggressively than robberies. Interesting dialogue. Fortunately the latter prevailed.

And yes, I'd have gladly shot the lot of them, in retreat or otherwise.
 

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Glad you made it through that Day. Thing is, most burglaries are committed by repeat offenders. They steal over and over, usually to support drug habits. The courts usually let them slide, then one day, they break into a house and someone is home....or worse, they know someone is home......then there is a victim, or victims.

The best policy is for people to respect other people and other people's property. If everyone did that, there wouldn't be a problem. You wouldn't steal, rape or murder, but unfortunately some bad people will.

The night before last here, on the local news, there was a story of a store clerk in Tyler, Texas who took shots at man that entered his store to cash a forged check. The clerk recognized the man from a previous successful theft by hot check. The clerk missed and the man was arrested for attempted theft....the man that intended to rob the clerk is in jail now. In some states, the clerk would be in jail for attempted murder. I don't rob people and don't personally know anyone who does, but Texas law does cut down on theft......and rape....and murder.

Very moving short story you told there Day......again, I'm glad you lived to tell about it.

West
 

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West R Lee said:
I don't rob people and don't personally know anyone who does, but Texas law does cut down on theft......and rape....and murder.

West

I wanted to stay out of this because it just doesn't sit well.

Texas has the 7th most violent rate in the US so the bravado doesn't really add up, to me.
 

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Graham said:
West R Lee said:
I don't rob people and don't personally know anyone who does, but Texas law does cut down on theft......and rape....and murder.

West

I wanted to stay out of this because it just doesn't sit well.

Texas has the 7th most violent rate in the US so the bravado doesn't really add up, to me.

Hmm.....must not be enough good people packing. The bad ones will be though.

West
 

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Graham said:
West R Lee said:
I don't rob people and don't personally know anyone who does, but Texas law does cut down on theft......and rape....and murder.

West

I wanted to stay out of this because it just doesn't sit well.

Texas has the 7th most violent rate in the US so the bravado doesn't really add up, to me.

Maybe true, but without it, they might be number 1....wait, the Empire State might have them beat. :roll:
 

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West R Lee said:
Graham said:
[quote="West R Lee":pl96qhpm]I don't rob people and don't personally know anyone who does, but Texas law does cut down on theft......and rape....and murder.

West

I wanted to stay out of this because it just doesn't sit well.

Texas has the 7th most violent rate in the US so the bravado doesn't really add up, to me.

Hmm.....must not be enough good people packing. The bad ones will be though.

West[/quote:pl96qhpm]

My home has been broken into 3 times.

Each time I've lost CDs, jewelry, a laptop (Pre LTG, you're all safe) and piddly crap that they've sold for pennies to feed their habit.

Was I pissed? Yeah!

Was it a PITA? Yeah.

It was all covered by insurance and life goes on.

Would I want to kill any of those folks that did that? No!

I believe that Canada is a very different country than the US in some regards, in others we are very much the same.

On this issue I'm glad we're very different!
 

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West R Lee said:
And Grot.....do you know where each guitar of yours is? :wink: Would you know if you were missing one :?: :idea: West
Sure I would notice if I was missing one, there'd be a clean spot on the floor with no dust! :wink: :D :) :? :( :oops:
 

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Graham said:
West R Lee said:
I don't rob people and don't personally know anyone who does, but Texas law does cut down on theft......and rape....and murder.

West

I wanted to stay out of this because it just doesn't sit well.

Texas has the 7th most violent rate in the US so the bravado doesn't really add up, to me.

Don't know where you got your stats Graham, but if it's a fact, and it could very well be......let's see, there's Brownsville, El Paso, Laredo.................all those border towns with rampant Mexican drug cartels and far and away the most violent part of the state......................yep, I can see how they might drive the violence stats up.....a bunch. All the more reason to control the borders, but that's another issue. The violence you speak of isn't happening here.

West
 

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You know fellas, people talk a lot about what they would do or not do in certain dangerous or violent scenarios, but I submit you really don't know what you'd do until it happens.

First of all, I don't have a side on this issue. I do have some experience in this area of the law, as well as with these types of fact scenarios. Accordingly, I have some information that I would like to relate to 'you all' as you think about these matters. Some of it is a little rough, so don't read it unless you want to.

Burglars who will break into a house, knowing somebody is there, are a different breed of cat, masters of chaos, if you will. The burglars probably figure, if the home owner is armed, they can:
a) dodge the first shot,
b) and, since the home owner, who is doubtless very scared anyway, has never heard a gun go off in a house (sounds like a mountain falling down!), they will fall apart after that and they can 'take care of 'em'.

Nice people, huh?

Having said that, a lot of burglars are very young. If you find somebody running off with your guitar as you come home and you shoot them, you're gonna feel pretty bad when 'somebody' turns out to be a 16 year old from the next block down, or the next farm to market road over.

I know 'a guy' who shot a burglar who was running away with his property. It was a hundred foot shot with a handgun and it killed 'em. 'The guy' hired a very expensive attorney. The Grand Jury heard everything and declined to prosecute. Then, the burglar's family sued 'the guy' in Court. Another lawyer was hired and they had a Civil Trial. The burglar's extensive record for prior burglaries and dope convictions came out before the jury. The Jury gave the Burglar's family nothing.

End result? Well, two lawyers later, the 'honest citizen with a gun' was down about a $100K just to break even. More importantly, he was irrevocably changed inside. He has related to friends of mine that it was an absolutely horrible feeling, knowing that he'd taken someone's life.

Apparently, you shoot somebody and it changes you, big-time.

I know one ex-policeman, who quit after he had to shoot an armed burglar. Another officer told me about it, saying, 'Yeah, I remember Joe [not his name] when we was on our First Wives and our First Lives. He shot that Burglar and had to quit, couldn't get over it. Didn't he ever tell you about it?' No, Joe sure didn't and I'd known him for 10 years, by then.

I know another guy, a good friend of mine, who was shot with his own gun, after he surprised a burglar who was 'leaving as he was coming in'. The burglar shot my friend in the abdomen, but missed anything vital. The escaping Burglar then ran as fast as he could for two long blocks before literally running into the side of a police car and being arrested. After spending 10 years in jail, he got out and participated in the Armed Robbery of a Jewelry Store. He and some of the other criminals tied up the Jewelry Shop's employees, they also covered their mouths with tape. One of the employees, a young girl, suffocated. The Robbers were convicted of Capitol Murder.

I grew up in Texas, but lived in New York City for about 9 years, from 16 to 25, from '69 to '78. In New York, a criminal could buy a $300 Walther pistol for $25, but an honest citizen couldn't legally own a gun. Is that bad? Seems like it. On the other hand, if everybody in New York had a gun, maybe the place would be as shot up as Beirut!

Places where 'honest people' keep and use guns are generally areas of low population density, like some areas here in my home state of Texas, or some of the other ex-frontier states.

I submit that it's different in other parts of the country and other parts of the world. I was talking to an Irish visitor to Texas one time, about a year or so after the IRA had blown up the Earl of Mountbatten in 1979 (by planting a bomb on his boat).

I asked the Irish National, "How the he%% could that happen?"

He thought about it for a while, then said, 'Well, it's different over there, Harry. People care deeply about politics in Ireland, to the point that they will sacrifice lives. But you know what's funny? Nobody gets knifed over playing the wrong song on the Jukebox in Ireland!"

"Really?" I said that, knowing that it happens with some frequency in the States (yea, even in Texas).

"Really!".
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Okay, now I'm done, everything all clear now to everybody??

Well, it's not to me, and I've spent my adult life trying to figure this stuff out.

To me, the bottom line is protect your family. On everything else, we all have to make our own choices.

In closing, I really apologize if I have offended anyone with the graphic nature of these stories.

Regards, gilded
 

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gilded said:
Burglars who will break into a house, knowing somebody is there, are a different breed of cat, masters of chaos, if you will. The burglars probably figure, if the home owner is armed, they can:
a) dodge the first shot,
b) and, since the home owner, who is doubtless very scared anyway, has never heard a gun go off in a house (sounds like a mountain falling down!), they will fall apart after that and they can 'take care of 'em'.

The first shot in my house comes from an open-bore 12 gauge shotgun loaded with #4 buckshot. The person behind it has had a fair bit of practice and is accustomed to noise. In the event that the guy on the receiving end is able to successfully dodge the first shot, I rather doubt he'll be staying around for the second, which is available in very short time.

Already kissed the floor with a gun in the back of by neck. Not planning on going there again.

Edit: I would much rather talk about guitars than weapons, so that's all I have to say on that subject... time to go play some tunes and forget the bad times past
 

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Here's a good idea, boy, they even have a lefty and righty cutaway model:

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BTW, I leave the burglar re-education program up to my dog :D
 

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dreadnut said:
Here's a good idea, boy, they even have a lefty and righty cutaway model:

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BTW, I leave the burglar re-education program up to my dog :D

The perfect combination for the guitar playing survivalist. Even better than the guitar/axe connection although this still might do in a pinch. :)

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