F-212 feedback please?

[dogberry]

Hi BP; yes, it's the original finish but it's being flattered some by the camera. Has a couple of dings but otherwise very light playwear and a dead-straight neck. Tuners upgraded to Gotoh minis and the bridge has been refitted. I'm sure you'll be very pleased with yours! J

Hey Capn,
Why/when did you upgrade to the Gotohs, and why did you pick those as opposed to anything else? My F212 has the original tuners, and some of them have gotten impossibly stiff to turn, so repair/replacement is on the to-do list, and any info on this is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Dogberry

 

[southernGuild]

By ALL MEANS BLUESY........send up some photos........It will put me into a slobering FIT!!! but THATS OK!!! All the best with getting her!!! Ill stay tuned! :roll:

 

[capnjuan]

... Why/when did you upgrade to the Gotohs, and why did you pick those as opposed to anything else? My F212 has the original tuners, and some of them have gotten impossibly stiff to turn, so repair/replacement is on the to-do list ...

Hi Dogs: I had them changed 3 years ago ... mostly for the same reasons you mentioned ... the original 6-on-a-plates ... some were loose and others were binding. I'm ok with the fact that playing a 12er is all about non-stop tuning but enough was enough ... knock off of the Grover shape - I don't think this model is in production any more. Not especially authentic-looking but then I bought the guitar to play (and tune :wink: ) not as a collector piece. They work just fine and small enough to allow the use of a string winder.

From StewMac: the current version of the same tuner ... no longer looks like a Grover ... I get the feeling maybe Grover sent them a 'Cease and Desist' letter ...

 

[Brad Little]

the original 6-on-a-plates ... some were loose and others were binding.

I did the same, only I used mini-Schallers. However, the six in line Klusons would not be on a model from the 70s, but rather individual open back tuners. I have no idea how those age. If I were to change them today (I did it about 10 years ago) I would use something like the Waverly open back tuners because they would weight less.
Brad

 

[capnjuan]

... However, the six in line Klusons would not be on a model from the 70s, but rather individual open back tuners ...

Hi Brad; ??? These are the same as the original 6-on-a-plate tuners that I replaced ... are they Klusons? GBase listing for '68 F212

 

[Brad Little]

Hi Brad; ??? These are the same as the original 6-on-a-plate tuners that I replaced ... are they Klusons? GBase listing for '68 F212

No, those are the ones I thought were individual. The Klusons had plastic knobs and a different mounting plate. I still have mine around so I'll dig them out and try to send a picture. I thought they used the Klusons later than '68 but must be wrong. It's probably in Hans's book, but it's not handy at the moment.
Brad

 

[hansmoust]

From StewMac: the current version of the same tuner ... no longer looks like a Grover ... I get the feeling maybe Grover sent them a 'Cease and Desist' letter ...

Hello capn,

Those Grover Mini tuners are still available.

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tuners/..._Tuners/Grover_Mini_Rotomatics_6-In-Line.html

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

 

[chazmo]

Hey Hans,

I think capnjuan is saying that those tuners that look like Grover mini-Rotomatics on his guitar are actually Gotoh knockoffs, and that they're not in production anymore. They sure do look like Grovers though, don't they?

 

[bluesypicky]

I am drinking this thread....... As I am a couple of days from buying my 75 F212, I will keep this tuners link handy in case mine shows the same weakness in the original ones (it seems to be the weakest link on this guitar?)

 

[capnjuan]

Hey Hans, I think capnjuan is saying that those tuners that look like Grover mini-Rotomatics on his guitar are actually Gotoh knockoffs, and that they're not in production anymore. They sure do look like Grovers though, don't they?

Hi Chaz; yes - that's it; they are Gotoh knockoffs of Grovers and I don't think they're around anymore. J

 

[hansmoust]

I think capnjuan is saying that those tuners that look like Grover mini-Rotomatics on his guitar are actually Gotoh knockoffs, and that they're not in production anymore. They sure do look like Grovers though, don't they?

Hello Chazmo,

Got it! Thanks!

yes - that's it; they are Gotoh knockoffs of Grovers and I don't think they're around anymore.

Well, the Grovers are still available so why not use those!


Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

 

[dogberry]

I think capnjuan is saying that those tuners that look like Grover mini-Rotomatics on his guitar are actually Gotoh knockoffs, and that they're not in production anymore. They sure do look like Grovers though, don't they?

Hello Chazmo,

Got it! Thanks!

yes - that's it; they are Gotoh knockoffs of Grovers and I don't think they're around anymore.

Well, the Grovers are still available so why not use those!


Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

Well my head is spinning a little now, but the gist of all this seems to be a consensus in favor of these, right?
http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tuners/Guit ... -Line.html
And wouldn't I need two sets of 3left/3right pegheads, because the 6-in line tuners don't appear to be offered in both left and right?
Thanks.

 

[chazmo]

Grover mini-Rotomatics, like the ones in your link, are what Guild was using on most of their 12 stringers in recent years. Lately, the New Hartford facility has moved to Gotoh open-back tuners.

It depends on your preference, dogberry. The Grover mini-Rotos will look just like capnjuan's picture. Here are gold-plated versions on my F-512, just for reference:

 

[capnjuan]

... And wouldn't I need two sets of 3left/3right ...

Hi Dogs; yes, two sets of 3L/3R. John

 

[JimbowF212]

Hi gang,

I have been without a 12 strings for too long, and just stumbled upon an ad for a 70's F-212 that I am going to look at in a couple of days. This mahogany back and side sounds like a good omen to my blues "penchant".
Any feedback from F-212 connoisseurs (around 1705-1715, borrowed from the French connoisseur, from the verb connoître,obsolete pre-1835 spelling of connaître (“‘to know’”)).welcome...Thanks!

My Folks bought me one of these in the mid-70's as I was a BIG John Denver fan and wanted a Guild 12 string to play. These instruments are in MHO and in the opinion of many others the very best 12 string guitars money can buy. I think you would be quite happy with it and I say go for it and enjoy. I foolishly let mine go in the late 80's and I have been KICKING myself ever since. I would love to have it back but, it was getting to little use and I felt it needed to be played more and so I traded it off, my mistake. It is the one in my avitar.

 

[bluesypicky]

Thanks Jim! You both look great on that pic!
Rendez vous is set tomorrow morning with the seller, unless he pulls the remnants of an F- 212 held together with duct tape, chances are I'll be the new owner...... I'm all hyped up!!!!
The challenge is going to be able to get some sleep tonight........ :lol:

 

[Brad Little]

Okay, if I've done it right, here are the pictures of the Kluson six-in-line tuners that came with my F-212 when new:

Brad

 

[bluesypicky]

Try again Brad.... I want to see them!!!!!!

Take that back, I see them now.....
The only thing you can work on now (been there done that) is re-format your pics at a lesser size on the host site before you copy the link here so they can fit on the page without having to scroll left and right to see the whole thing.
I know it's a pain, until you've done it once and then it's a breeze..... :mrgreen:

 

[Terry Allan Hall]

I have 2 F-212XLs (the slightly larger version of the F-212) that I keep in Open G and Open D/DADGAD and love how they create a satisfying rumble...I keep my Taylor 355 in standard tuning, but occasionally consider finding yet another F-212XL (or a JF-4-12) for standard tuning.

As previously mentioned, THE iconic 12-string! 8)

 

[Terry Allan Hall]

I think capnjuan is saying that those tuners that look like Grover mini-Rotomatics on his guitar are actually Gotoh knockoffs, and that they're not in production anymore. They sure do look like Grovers though, don't they?

Hello Chazmo,

Got it! Thanks!

yes - that's it; they are Gotoh knockoffs of Grovers and I don't think they're around anymore.

Well, the Grovers are still available so why not use those!


Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

Use chrome mini-Grovers on both of my F-212XLs and that's the way to go, IMABO...they're very reasonably priced and will last literally forever.

And you can often find them on Ebay, used, for about 1/2 of what they'll cost new! 8)