Badmouthing Guilds Over ON AGF

[fronobulax]

You mean like Yoko Oh No (a.k.a. Ronald Reagan) was doing here??

The LTG policy concerning aliases and multiple identities is set and implemented by Don, the OWNER (and person who pays the hosting bill) of LTG. In the specific case of RonOhNo Don, and the Moderators, are aware of the alias, but so far there has been exactly one instance where both accounts posted in the same thread. I'm sure the policy will be adjusted if there is abuse, but one of the things that makes LTG a friendlier place than AGF is that LTG members are generally self-policing and there are not a whole lot of "rules" being enforced.

 

[chazmo]

[ . . . ] complaining about other people is just a frustrating path that leads to stress and the excessive consumption of adult beverages. [ . . . ]

Fro, dude, I've got Doublewood and Abelour at the ready.

 

[walrus]

The LTG policy concerning aliases and multiple identities is set and implemented by Don, the OWNER (and person who pays the hosting bill) of LTG. In the specific case of RonOhNo Don, and the Moderators, are aware of the alias, but so far there has been exactly one instance where both accounts posted in the same thread. I'm sure the policy will be adjusted if there is abuse, but one of the things that makes LTG a friendlier place than AGF is that LTG members are generally self-policing and there are not a whole lot of "rules" being enforced.

Well said, frono. I for one enjoy both yoko's and Ron's posts, and I like the fact that LTG does not get too excited about such a "minor" offense. Hail to the moderators!

walrus

 

[guildman63]

I read the first four pages of posts, and while there are a few that clearly have no clue the majority of what I read after the first page was quite positive. There will always be naysayers and the misinformed, but there are a lot of positive vibes in that thread in my opinion.

 

[Rayk]

Man, I hate it when misinformed people run their mouths when they have no earthly clue what they are talking about!

Over on AGF, somebody posted a thread yesterday with the title "Is Guild a Mess?".

Responses (now up to five pages) include everything from enlightened, to knuckle-dragging, stupid drivel.

http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=429724

The thread should be renamed "Do Dumb People Type?"

Haaaaaay I got in on that ! Ohhhhh that's what you mean .... My bad hahahaha .

I'm so gullible I did not take in a bad way just as an inocent question .

God ! Why did you make me like this !?

 

[Rayk]

Over at AGF, it is a total LTG takeover of that thread!

Thanks for the backup, guys.

Dang it all why do I miss this stuff I'm off to see what you nut cases been up to ... Been a jets fan since childhood .... Dang I ain't grown up yet ! Lol

 

[chazmo]

The LTG "Jets" are rockin'

Just got a nice note from one of the posters over there. Yup, there's Guild love everywhere...

 

[Quantum Strummer]

What frustrates me is that you could say that about any subject on the internet and yet people still mount up and charge windmills in hopes of correcting the situation. Nothing personal but we can't control what other people say or post. All we can do is post what we believe is true and hope that anyone who really cares will separate the wheat from the chaff. Perhaps it is a side benefit of being a Geezer but I have finally learned that the only person I can change is myself and complaining about other people is just a frustrating path that leads to stress and the excessive consumption of adult beverages.

This!

Though I have found my daily ritual margarita to be an effective stress preventative. :friendly_wink:

-Dave-

 

[12 string]

Fro, dude, I've got Doublewood and Abelour at the ready.

Count me in, too!!

' Strang

 

[adorshki]

The LTG policy concerning aliases and multiple identities is set and implemented by Don, the OWNER (and person who pays the hosting bill) of LTG. In the specific case of RonOhNo Don, and the Moderators, are aware of the alias, but so far there has been exactly one instance where both accounts posted in the same thread. I'm sure the policy will be adjusted if there is abuse, but one of the things that makes LTG a friendlier place than AGF is that LTG members are generally self-policing and there are not a whole lot of "rules" being enforced.

Let me just say "mea culpa" regarding that purely facetious reference to the AGF moderator and multiple handles.
I recycled a proposition I made in a thread of similar content almost 3 years ago, and it was purely a play on the old saw that "On the internet, nobody can tell you're a dog". :fox:
It was in this thread wherein our much-missed member Ridgemont brought up the "civility thing" almost 3 years ago:
http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/showthread.php?177700-Appalled-at-the-lack-of-civility-on-AFG/page4

I read the first four pages of posts, and while there are a few that clearly have no clue the majority of what I read after the first page was quite positive. There will always be naysayers and the misinformed, but there are a lot of positive vibes in that thread in my opinion.

Yes when I finally read the thread I had much the same impression.
However when searching for Ridge's thread I stumbled across this one whose subject ties in nicely with the question at hand:
http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/sh...-reputation-within-the-guitar-community/page9.
Hey WTH, they re-run TV shows, right?
And after all, we've refined the art of synchronized veering and progressed to the level of inter-forum thread hi-jacking since then.
Our focus on a single brand is our greatest strength!
The internet is ours to do with as we will!
"And with a ring like that, I could, dare I say it?, RULE THE WORLD!!"

 

[Earwitness]

I read the first four pages of posts, and while there are a few that clearly have no clue the majority of what I read after the first page was quite positive. There will always be naysayers and the misinformed, but there are a lot of positive vibes in that thread in my opinion.

I read through the whole thread, and this one, too. Having a little "us vs. them" rivalry is okay, I suppose, but I think THIS thread is off base. AGF is an excellent site--one of the best of any kind on the entire internet. That thread is a perfect example of it. Two, maybe three, posters said things about Guild that were wrong, and the weight of opinion corrected them. Not just that, but correctly pointed anyone reading the thread to LTG as the better place to get accurate information about Guild. Just like when I wanted information about microphones, I got some at AGF, but they pointed me to Gearslutz. The classical sub-forum might point you to Delcamp.

Don't you think that it's at least true that, over the years, Guild has not been given a fair chance with respect to business and marketing that was on par with the quality of the instruments being produced? I'm not sure whether that's right, but isn't the gist of LTG opinion that Guilds do not earn in the marketplace the price and reputation that they deserve based on sound? There's at least something to discuss, there, about whether Guild has been handled well from a business and marketing viewpoint, and if you don't happen to camp out on LTG, do you think you would have any information about where Guild is right about now? Aren't you glad that "Where is Guild about now?' is being discussed in the far-larger audience of AGF, with your opportunity to put correct information out there?

Anyway, yes, of course there are some distracting posters or waste-of-time threads on AGF. But to say or imply that it is generally a source of misinformation is not fair at all. The scope of topics discussed on AGF is 100X broader than what is on LTG. A topic may stagger for a few posts, but almost invariably lands in dependable truth, just as the thread in question did.

Okay, now I'll take my punishment....

 

[richardp69]

No punishment from this camp. Everyone is, for sure, entitled to their opinions right or wrong.

I'm an old man now but I long ago came to the conclusion that very little in life is generically all bad vs. all good or all wrong vs. all right. Shades of grey are prevalent in virtually every topic.

People can say what they wish I guess, I just know I really admire and respect the Guild brand and I think for some very righteous reasons.

 

[Neal]

What frustrates me is that you could say that about any subject on the internet and yet people still mount up and charge windmills in hopes of correcting the situation. Nothing personal but we can't control what other people say or post. All we can do is post what we believe is true and hope that anyone who really cares will separate the wheat from the chaff. Perhaps it is a side benefit of being a Geezer but I have finally learned that the only person I can change is myself and complaining about other people is just a frustrating path that leads to stress and the excessive consumption of adult beverages.

An explicit apology to Neal, just in case - this doesn't quite hit a hot button for me but it does fire off the proximity sensor, but I in no way intend this as a specific criticism of Neal.

Absolutely none taken, Frono!

And you are right on the money. I have spent the majority of my professional life trying to help people change harmful behaviors, but ultimately they choose. The only person I can really hope to control is me.

In that light, none of you are responsible for my closet full of Guilds! :unconscious:

 

[Neal]

I read through the whole thread, and this one, too. Having a little "us vs. them" rivalry is okay, I suppose, but I think THIS thread is off base. AGF is an excellent site--one of the best of any kind on the entire internet. That thread is a perfect example of it. Two, maybe three, posters said things about Guild that were wrong, and the weight of opinion corrected them. Not just that, but correctly pointed anyone reading the thread to LTG as the better place to get accurate information about Guild. Just like when I wanted information about microphones, I got some at AGF, but they pointed me to Gearslutz. The classical sub-forum might point you to Delcamp.

Don't you think that it's at least true that, over the years, Guild has not been given a fair chance with respect to business and marketing that was on par with the quality of the instruments being produced? I'm not sure whether that's right, but isn't the gist of LTG opinion that Guilds do not earn in the marketplace the price and reputation that they deserve based on sound? There's at least something to discuss, there, about whether Guild has been handled well from a business and marketing viewpoint, and if you don't happen to camp out on LTG, do you think you would have any information about where Guild is right about now? Aren't you glad that "Where is Guild about now?' is being discussed in the far-larger audience of AGF, with your opportunity to put correct information out there?

Anyway, yes, of course there are some distracting posters or waste-of-time threads on AGF. But to say or imply that it is generally a source of misinformation is not fair at all. The scope of topics discussed on AGF is 100X broader than what is on LTG. A topic may stagger for a few posts, but almost invariably lands in dependable truth, just as the thread in question did.

Okay, now I'll take my punishment....

Lots of valid points here.

What fried my gourd with regard to the AGF thread in question was the title "Is Guild a Mess?"

It reminds me of major Internet news outlets that create hits for "news" stories that are posed as questions such as:

Did Tony Blair Pee His Pants?

Even if the real story is that Tony Blair spilled Coke in his lap...

 

[MLBob]

Read through the entire thread, and didn't feel it was an attack on Guild at all. In fact, it seems that the overwhelming opinions voiced were that Guild's are excellent guitars. There seemed to be a lot of good will toward Cordoba and hope expressed for their success. The discussion of management decisions and the time it's taking to get the operation up and running + establishing a dealer network probably wasn't anything that hasn't been bandied about here at LTG.

Good to see everyone posting positive stuff doing so without resorting to flaming anyone. Nice job in relaying "The facts; just the facts.":friendly_wink:

Bob

 

[bluesypicky]

What frustrates me is that you could say that about any subject on the internet and yet people still mount up and charge windmills in hopes of correcting the situation.

(Re-run, but "a propos")

 

[Westerly Wood]

Uh, let's keep in mind, the reason that thread turned around was due to posts from LTG members. Outside of that effort, it would have become a misinformed Guild bashing. Please. The AGF sucks vs what it used to be.

 

[marcellis]

I agree.

Even ignormouses are right once i n awhile. Even so,
I"m buying a Starfire V soon. The guy must a Taylor owner.

 

[adorshki]

Even ignormouses are right once i n awhile.

In keeping with the spirit of things, it's "IGNORAMII", you wheelclutch.
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[Earwitness]

Uh, let's keep in mind, the reason that thread turned around was due to posts from LTG members. Outside of that effort, it would have become a misinformed Guild bashing. Please. The AGF sucks vs what it used to be.

I acknowledge that, but the LTG members you refer to ARE on AGF. Even if they (you) are not actively stirring things up, the LTG people are a part of the overall resource that is AGF. There's experts from UMGF that show up, too, whenever someone says something bone-headed about Martins. There are lots of top-level luthiers, music theorists, etc. There are beginners, songwriters, gear manufacturers, numbskulls, and regular players.

I think people there are very nice. I've met with them locally to play, I've been met and helped out by AGF members while on vacation in Europe and in California, I've successfully bought and sold things on the forum, etc.

I get a lot out of AGF, but I am willing to believe it was better some time in the past when you liked it. I guess it's too bad I missed that time. (Really, not sarcastically.)