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Does it look like this one?

Yup, that's it.

Inside the case I found out the green Guild pick, unfortunately the shield has faded after one hour of playing....

BTW where can I find an old style "fat" truss rod cover like the one of my JF30-12?
 

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BTW where can I find an old style "fat" truss rod cover like the one of my JF30-12?
The screw holes might not line up quite the same, since the newer build has only one truss rod & the wider cover wasn’t needed.

Congrats on your new beauty & Enjoy!
 

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Dang that is a seriously gorgeous guitar. Guild jumbo 12 that all others aspire to, silky spruce top, flame maple back and sides, best pearl and abalone inlays... It does not get any better. Well worth the wait I’d say!
 
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Wow, absolutely stunning!
By sheer coincidence I picked up a new guitar yesterday too .. also a sunburst maple jumbo .. but not a Guild.
If it's a Gibson, I have two: a Sheryl Crow and a Southern Jumbo. Both stellar guitars, but no maple. I used to have an Advanced Jumbo too that I sadly sold, but I have a great respect of Gibson Montana.
 

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I have been waiting this moment since I heard about the new factory in Oxnard...after saving money and selling few guitars (including my beloved Westerly JF30-12) she is arrived.
Yes, the flamed maple back is mighty

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Told ya! ;) That top's gorgeous too. Looks like true AAA stuff. Nice to know they're still maintaining that level Of quality, at least.
Congrats!!!
 

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The screw holes might not line up quite the same, since the newer build has only one truss rod & the wider cover wasn’t needed.

Congrats on your new beauty & Enjoy!
Yeah keep it stock and honor the Certificate of Authenticity. ;)
 

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If it's a Gibson, I have two: a Sheryl Crow and a Southern Jumbo. Both stellar guitars, but no maple. I used to have an Advanced Jumbo too that I sadly sold, but I have a great respect of Gibson Montana.
Wulfthar, I have a new F512 rosewood and a 1990 JF30-12. I am interested in hearing from you, and others, the tone differences you hear between your JF30-12 and the Oxnard F512 maple. I have never seen an Oxnard F512 maple first hand and have been curious to hear a comparison by someone who has experience with both.
 

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I have never seen an Oxnard F512 maple first hand and have been curious to hear a comparison by someone who has experience with both.
It's not exactly a JF30-12, but I had a Corona-made F-412 that sounded really good. Then I had a chance to play an Oxnard F-412 (I refuse to call it by the "new" name). The Oxnard version was 1.1 pounds (0.5 kg) lighter than the Corona version and was also more resonant and responsive. The fit and finish on the Oxnard guitar was a little better, too (about the same as on the New Hartford acoustics). I ended up selling the Corona guitar and buying the Oxnard version. If I never played the Oxnard guitar, I would have been very content with the Corona F-412 because it was an excellent sounding guitar. However, the Oxnard F-412 is a couple steps above excellent so for me it was worth the switch. As always, YMMV. :)
 

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OMG. That guitar is beyond exceptional! Super major congrats! I am super major jealous! And that is one expensive capo! You got the score of the decade!
 

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Wulfthar, I have a new F512 rosewood and a 1990 JF30-12. I am interested in hearing from you, and others, the tone differences you hear between your JF30-12 and the Oxnard F512 maple. I have never seen an Oxnard F512 maple first hand and have been curious to hear a comparison by someone who has experience with both.
At first : they were both Guild 12 strings Jumbos in maple, therefore the sound is similar.

Having said that the JF30-12 was an old school Guild : overbuilt with a big U neck that accomodated two truss rods, straight bracing etc...in order to make a guitar that was safe to use a concert pitch. The sound was very good but not as powerful in terms of volume that a Martin HD28V for instance....not as much resonance.

The new 412 is significantly lighter than a Westerly 12 strings Jumbo but not as light as a Tacoma 412 I played I think in 2012, however the guitar is significantly louder than my old JF30-12. Also, slightly more sustain I guess but I have played the guitar for few hours therefore I still need to make a more detailed assessment.

Besides the sound, the neck profile is more C than U and while relatively thick it´s much easier to play than the JF30-12, action out of the box was almost perfect, I am really impressed by their work, in particular how they cut the nut and saddle.

Finish was also better, but of course I am comparing a mid level model like the JF30-12 with the top end, a more fair comparison would be with a Westerly 412.

P.S. From the specs on the website I didn´t get if the top is Sitka or Red spruce as the Tacome guitars were made from.
 

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It's not exactly a JF30-12, but I had a Corona-made F-412 that sounded really good. Then I had a chance to play an Oxnard F-412 (I refuse to call it by the "new" name). The Oxnard version was 1.1 pounds (0.5 kg) lighter than the Corona version and was also more resonant and responsive. The fit and finish on the Oxnard guitar was a little better, too (about the same as on the New Hartford acoustics). I ended up selling the Corona guitar and buying the Oxnard version. If I never played the Oxnard guitar, I would have been very content with the Corona F-412 because it was an excellent sounding guitar. However, the Oxnard F-412 is a couple steps above excellent so for me it was worth the switch. As always, YMMV. :)
Thank you GGJaguar. I appreciate you sharing your experience. I have seen some bracing difference is my JF30-12 vs my F512. There are three diagonal top braces on the lower bout of the JF30-12 and two diagonal braces for the F512. The braces of the F512 are scalloped and the JF30-12 braces are shaved. There are two small scalloped braces around the sound hole of the F512 and not on the JF30-12. I believe the F512 has adirondack spruce braces.... not sure about the JF30-12. I am not sure if the Oxnard F412 (512 maple) has the same bracing pattern as the F512 rosewood.

I know this is an unimportant discussion but there seems to be time now for unimportant guitar discussion.
 

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Budha:
Important to my Guild 12 String knowledge pool -- you could say my Guild 12 String knowledge is minimal. Thanks to all who shared--what a guitar to share!
 

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Thank you GGJaguar. I appreciate you sharing your experience. I have seen some bracing difference is my JF30-12 vs my F512. There are three diagonal top braces on the lower bout of the JF30-12 and two diagonal braces for the F512. The braces of the F512 are scalloped and the JF30-12 braces are shaved. There are two small scalloped braces around the sound hole of the F512 and not on the JF30-12. I believe the F512 has adirondack spruce braces.... not sure about the JF30-12. I am not sure if the Oxnard F412 (512 maple) has the same bracing pattern as the F512 rosewood.
The Oxnard F-412 has wide, slightly scalloped X-braces, two wide, scalloped tone bars, and a single, scalloped radial brace per side. The bridge plate is rosewood. The bracing appears to be machine cut (CNC?) to a specification rather than hand finished. Interestingly, it does not have a cloth patch covering the center joint of the X-brace.


I know this is an unimportant discussion but there seems to be time now for unimportant guitar discussion.
I'm a gearhead, so it's important. :geek: (y)
 

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The bracing appears to be machine cut (CNC?) to a specification rather than hand finished.
Maybe they moved to CNC for the bracings now but at least in a 2018 interview, Guild President Jon Thomas said, the bracings were still handmade and not CNC. (Don't start commenting on his statement about "some rougher work", we had discussed that before...)
Ralf
 

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I love what they say on the box....and your new sig!
 

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At first : they were both Guild 12 strings Jumbos in maple, therefore the sound is similar.

Having said that the JF30-12 was an old school Guild : overbuilt with a big U neck that accomodated two truss rods, straight bracing etc...in order to make a guitar that was safe to use a concert pitch. The sound was very good but not as powerful in terms of volume that a Martin HD28V for instance....not as much resonance.

The new 412 is significantly lighter than a Westerly 12 strings Jumbo but not as light as a Tacoma 412 I played I think in 2012, however the guitar is significantly louder than my old JF30-12. Also, slightly more sustain I guess but I have played the guitar for few hours therefore I still need to make a more detailed assessment.

Besides the sound, the neck profile is more C than U and while relatively thick it´s much easier to play than the JF30-12, action out of the box was almost perfect, I am really impressed by their work, in particular how they cut the nut and saddle.

Finish was also better, but of course I am comparing a mid level model like the JF30-12 with the top end, a more fair comparison would be with a Westerly 412.

P.S. From the specs on the website I didn´t get if the top is Sitka or Red spruce as the Tacome guitars were made from.
Thank you for your response. Good detail.
 

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The Oxnard F-412 has wide, slightly scalloped X-braces, two wide, scalloped tone bars, and a single, scalloped radial brace per side. The bridge plate is rosewood. The bracing appears to be machine cut (CNC?) to a specification rather than hand finished. Interestingly, it does not have a cloth patch covering the center joint of the X-brace.




I'm a gearhead, so it's important. :geek: (y)

Does your F412 have these little braces around the sound hole? There are two of these braces on my F512. One is on the treble side of the sound hole the other is on the bridge side of the sound hole. I not ever seen braces like this around the sound hole of any other guitar I have owned.
512 brace 1.jpeg
512 brace 2.jpeg
brace 512 3.jpeg
 

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P.S. From the specs on the website I didn´t get if the top is Sitka or Red spruce as the Tacoma guitars were made from.
It's sitka, with Adi bracing.

And in Tacoma only certain models got Adi tops, notably the Bluegrass D40's and '50's, and certain versions of the F30 and F40.
The F50/F512/F412 didn't get Adi nor did they get it in New Hartford. Nor did D55's in either location, to the surprise of some. It would seem those models with AAA tops and scalloped bracing didn't get any additional improvement with Adi tops, although they got adi bracing.

I believe the F512 has adirondack spruce braces.... not sure about the JF30-12. I am not sure if the Oxnard F412 (512 maple) has the same bracing pattern as the F512 rosewood.
No evidence of adi ever being used in Westerly or prior to Tacoma. The most credible explanation I saw was that in fact adi was over-harvested in WWII and therefore not even readily available in sizes/quantities suitable for guitar making until the late '80's-early '90's when the boutique makers like Santa Cruz started offering it again[/quote]

I know this is an unimportant discussion but there seems to be time now for unimportant guitar discussion.
Maybe unimportant compared to some stuff going on in the world, but it's our bread and butter here.
;)
 

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That is one gorgeous beast of a guitar! Congrats!
 
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