Starfire 1.5 (Starfire 1 Mod Project)

Matt R.

Junior Member
Joined
Apr 28, 2021
Messages
48
Reaction score
55
Guild Total
1
I'm still getting used to the assertion that specs on the Newark Street Starfire I Bass changed slightly when CMG purchased Guild, but what you posted look like the size of my 2013 (FMIC) rests, not longer. That said, is the length really going to matter to your plucking hand style?

Yeah, good point. I may just buy a couple wooden Fender style rests and lay them on the body to see if I dig it. I know the thumbrest on the bass side would be useful.
 

Matt R.

Junior Member
Joined
Apr 28, 2021
Messages
48
Reaction score
55
Guild Total
1
Probably the same like those:


Ralf

Thanks! I know about the Fender ones, I just assumed these were slightly different:)
 

fronobulax

Bassist, GAD and the Hot Mess Mods
Joined
May 3, 2007
Messages
24,790
Reaction score
8,921
Location
Central Virginia, USA
Guild Total
5
Oh. I misunderstood your Fender comment.

FWIW I've never used the treble side rest on either of the Starfires and when the builder of my custom stopped laughing at the request he only fabricated and installed a rest on the bass side.
 

Matt R.

Junior Member
Joined
Apr 28, 2021
Messages
48
Reaction score
55
Guild Total
1
Oh. I misunderstood your Fender comment.

FWIW I've never used the treble side rest on either of the Starfires and when the builder of my custom stopped laughing at the request he only fabricated and installed a rest on the bass side.

Yeah I wouldn’t actually use the one on the treble side. I don’t pluck with my thumb like those are intended for. That would be more for aesthetics honestly. The bass side thumb rest I would definitely use. I always leave the thumb rests/tug bars on my Fenders if they come equipped. Oddly enough, I like how they look.
 

lungimsam

Senior Member
Joined
Oct 1, 2011
Messages
2,641
Reaction score
1,712
Guild Total
2
Look where one of mine wound up:
 

Attachments

  • A6AD91CD-599B-4A00-B51A-2A32E5A6AF95.jpeg
    A6AD91CD-599B-4A00-B51A-2A32E5A6AF95.jpeg
    1.6 MB · Views: 157

lungimsam

Senior Member
Joined
Oct 1, 2011
Messages
2,641
Reaction score
1,712
Guild Total
2
email guild. I’m sure they will sell you some.
 

hieronymous

Member
Joined
Jul 21, 2007
Messages
428
Reaction score
150
Location
Northern CA
Guild Total
1
I'm pretty sure the Guild ones are longer and skinnier than the 7ender ones - like here:

https://guildguitars.com/g/starfire-bass/

I had a '68 with offset ones - can't find a pic on this computer, but it wasn't uncommon as far as I'm aware.

Personally, I would not put a 7ender one on, that would just look wrong to me. If you're doing it for looks, I'd put them on both sides. But if it's purely for playing purposes, then do whatever you want! In fact, do whatever you want anyway, my opinion doesn't matter. Congrats on the bass!
 

mellowgerman

Senior Member
Joined
Sep 21, 2008
Messages
4,144
Reaction score
1,580
Location
Orlando, FL
Yup! The Guild thumb-rests are skinnier and longer than the kind you see on Fender basses. I'm pretty certain I have seen Newark Street bass thumb-rests in a Guild-branded aftermarket package, so I think they do sell them separate. Not sure if there are any available currently, but like others have said, if you contact Guild they will likely be happy to hook you up (y)
 

Matt R.

Junior Member
Joined
Apr 28, 2021
Messages
48
Reaction score
55
Guild Total
1
Thanks all! I’ll get with Guild and see if I can grab those.
 

Matt R.

Junior Member
Joined
Apr 28, 2021
Messages
48
Reaction score
55
Guild Total
1
38C6AC1B-E336-413D-9108-B80CF9E87A96.jpeg

Uh oh. I don’t like this string spacing. I know pole pieces don’t have to be exactly lined up with strings because of the magnetic field and all, but do you all think this is gonna be a problem?
 

mellowgerman

Senior Member
Joined
Sep 21, 2008
Messages
4,144
Reaction score
1,580
Location
Orlando, FL
I've had pickups that don't do well unless pole spacing is lined up just right and others that were less sensitive to spacing, so I would be hesitant to tell you it will be fine. You may well encounter quieter output on the E and G strings if they fall outside of the magnetic field.
Worst case scenario, you could always get a different bridge saddle or modify the one on there. Curtis Novak also makes his BS/DS pickups in wider spacing.
 

Matt R.

Junior Member
Joined
Apr 28, 2021
Messages
48
Reaction score
55
Guild Total
1
I've had pickups that don't do well unless pole spacing is lined up just right and others that were less sensitive to spacing, so I would be hesitant to tell you it will be fine. You may well encounter quieter output on the E and G strings if they fall outside of the magnetic field.
Worst case scenario, you could always get a different bridge saddle or modify the one on there. Curtis Novak also makes his BS/DS pickups in wider spacing.

Thanks! Yep I looked at the Novak stuff. I hope this one works out because the Novaks cost a significant chunk of what I paid for this thing
 

Minnesota Flats

Senior Member
Joined
Oct 3, 2015
Messages
1,399
Reaction score
1,313
Another way of dealing with pole piece/string alignment might be to look into the Gretsch "Space Control" bass bridge. I think the post centers are 74mm apart but don't know about any other dimensions, such as main/max spacing adjustment limits. Also don't know whether they sound any good, as I've never had one (maybe somebody else here has had first-hand experience?). Just thought of them because they are one of the few bridges I've seen that are intended to work in tandem with a trapeze-ish style tailpiece and allow for adjusting string spacing. Of course, because they don't have individually-adjustable saddles, you would loose precision of intonation adjustment to gain string-spacing adjustability, especially if you didn't also use the "floating" base, so they actually might not be a practical alternative:



I had a Tru-Arc bridge on a Gretsch guitar. It also lacked individually-adjustable saddles and sat on a floating bass which allowed me to set it up without any particularly egregious intonation issues.

Unfortunately, most of the other bass bridges I've seen that allow for adjustment of both intonation and string spacing are replacements for either Fender "bent-plate/barrel" or Gibson 3-point type bridges, not the Tune-O-Matic.

Only other thing that comes to mind are the bridges on those old 1970s, Japanese import basses, some of which had fairly narrow string spacing. Might be tough to find something like that that was detached from the original bass and just floating around, though.
 

Matt R.

Junior Member
Joined
Apr 28, 2021
Messages
48
Reaction score
55
Guild Total
1
So I hit a speed bump. I decided to sell the guild Bisonic and I’m gonna grab a Curtis Novak with the correct string spacing. Still waiting for my pickup surround to be made as well.
I have a router template for a Hammond Darkstar. Anyone know off the top of their head if it will work for the Novak pickup? I was assuming that physically, the Novak, Guild, and Darkstars are all identical.
 

fronobulax

Bassist, GAD and the Hot Mess Mods
Joined
May 3, 2007
Messages
24,790
Reaction score
8,921
Location
Central Virginia, USA
Guild Total
5
So I hit a speed bump. I decided to sell the guild Bisonic and I’m gonna grab a Curtis Novak with the correct string spacing. Still waiting for my pickup surround to be made as well.
I have a router template for a Hammond Darkstar. Anyone know off the top of their head if it will work for the Novak pickup? I was assuming that physically, the Novak, Guild, and Darkstars are all identical.

Novak has this but he does want $20 for it.

20200610_105854-scaled.jpg

I don't know whether my builder had a template, or made his own from the PU since it was a build from scratch and not a retrofit.

I always thought the vintage Bisonic, Darkstar and Novak were supposed to by drop-in replacements for each other but I have not tested that belief with hands on experience. I'd believe whatever @mellowgerman says.
 

mellowgerman

Senior Member
Joined
Sep 21, 2008
Messages
4,144
Reaction score
1,580
Location
Orlando, FL
DarkStar template should work just fine. The only difference is that the Novak (like the vintage bisonic) has rounded height adjustment paddles underneath, whereas the DarkStar's paddles are kind of a clipped, squared-off design so they dont extend out quite as far. I dont think that would make a difference though as long as you have the DarkStar "swimming pool" template, which has a big centered rectangle cavity cut-out like the Novak one and is intended to give you enough room to rotate the pickup 180degrees, so that extra 2 or 3mm of the rounded paddle shouldn't matter
 
Top