Sound Hole Size Effect on Sound

wileypickett

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Playing in the bathroom is similar to what is called "corner loading" -- that is, playing facing the corner of a room so the sound is reflected back at the player.

Engineers from one of Robert Johnson's studio sessions claimed Johnson faced the corner during those sessions and did so, they assumed, out of shyness. Ry Cooder said that it's more likely Johnson was "corner loading."

I love sound ports, BTW, and have added them to several of my guitars.
 

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Thanks, I seriously never heard of "corner loading" before - a perfect name for it!

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If soundhole ports are effective and don't affect the overall volume, why not add more of them, or make them standard. I once played a guitar with a port on the side, I liked hearing that sound, it's very effective.
 

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Speaking of what you hear vs. what an audience hears, I assume everyone knows how different it is to play guitar in a smaller space, like a small bedroom, or the classic - in the bathroom.

Is this more like what an audience would hear? Or simply a more voluminous version of what the player hears?

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I think the only way to hear what an audience hears . . . is to be in the audience. But I suppose that's closer. A stereo mic in the room might be even better.

Rooms are funny anyway. Sometimes you do sound check and everything is dialed-in just right. And then 50-100 people come in and nothing sounds the same.

A few years back I played a show with a guy who'd just picked up a sweet, vintage Martin D41. I couldn't believe how great it sounded. I joked that I'd trade him my F44 on the spot. The show was at a friend's recording studio, and he recorded the show and later shared the professional video and audio of a track. After hearing my own guitar, I thought to myself, now there's a guitar I'd trade my F44 for. My F44.

On a similar note, this past summer I made a "live" album at home. Mostly just me an my guitar, mostly unplugged. One of the most interesting discoveries was that it was only at best a 50/50 shot that guitar I thought sounded best on a track (based on previous playing) was the guitar that sounded best on the recorded track. I used four different 6 string acoustics. Like I love my Art & Lutherie parlor on a whole bunch of songs, when playing alone, unplugged, and therefore play them on that guitar live, using a pickup (a point meaningless to this discussion). But on the recordings, I'm not sure I ever used that guitar, as it was mostly swapped out for either my F44 or my Simon & Patrick folk.
 

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Rooms are funny anyway. Sometimes you do sound check and everything is dialed-in just right. And then 50-100 people come in and nothing sounds the same.


100 people add damping - humidity and temperatue changes also - usual room behaviour. Besides - in all my decades of mixing engineer I still can not remember a single act who did not need some fine tuning after spending an hour or two at backstage between soundcheck and showtime.
 

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If soundhole ports are effective and don't affect the overall volume, why not add more of them, or make them standard.

Rhetorical?

If not then the answer is tradition. The market doesn't understand that they are better in any significant way and the builders prefer to build what they can sell. That can change - it is called progress - but probably not very quickly. Get one in the hands of a major perfromer and have them use it and the change will occur more quickly, probably.
 

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Just had an ad pop up on Facebook for Gibson's new series, they have soundports on the upper bout. Let’s see how popular they are
 
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