Not a good investment regardless

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davismanLV said:
The term which is bandied about and is in the subject of this thread, is "investment". To make things relevant I'd say you need to define that term.

fronobulax said:
I always consider an investment as doing something with money I have now in hopes of having more money later.

If you buy it, then sell it and break even after adjusting for inflation (etc.) then it is not an especially good financial investment.

One thing that is pretty clear is that most people here think of a guitar like buying a house to live in - there are motivations besides making money and benefits besides more money - compared to buying rental property which is almost always done solely to make money.
 

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I agree with Joe's sentiments - it's an "emotional" investment. I've never thought of any musical instrument as an investment, I want them to be played.

As I've explained before, when I bought my D64 in 1984 I had no idea that it was a rare guitar, I just wanted to play it. And play it I have...

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Every time this kind of topic comes around, I think about golf. No, I don't play the game, but if I did it would cost me $50 (local's discount) plus misc, probably adding up to $70 a day. Times two is $140 weekly, or $7,280 per year, at the end of which I'd have nothing to show for my time but falsified score cards and a beer belly. Owning fine guitars is cheaper, more satisfying and less fattening. Enough said.
 

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I bought a used 1966 Martin 00-28C in 1984 for $425. I kept it 26 years, then decided it was time for a change. I listed it on ebay, and at the end of 7 days, I had $2600 in my pocket.

I didn't realize it at the time but that was a great investment.

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i bought my rickenbacker at the pbs tv auction in 1978 for $200.oo i was just a kid who had 200 bucks and needed a guitar

i've turned down offers of $13,000.00
 

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Oh Yoko! I give up - THAT'S an investment!!

Charliea - I only golf occasionally, but it's a healthy 5 - 6 mile walk (no beer for me), often up and down hills, etc. I'm in the company of good friends, enjoying the outdoors. What could be better?

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walrus said:
Oh Yoko! I give up - THAT'S an investment!!

Charliea - I only golf occasionally, but it's a healthy 5 - 6 mile walk (no beer for me), often up and down hills, etc. I'm in the company of good friends, enjoying the outdoors. What could be better?

walrus

I'm not knocking golf, or any of the other games people play. Point is, we spend large amounts on pastimes which provide no material returns, but worry about the investment value of our guitars. I personally don't worry about resale when I buy a guitar. If I pay $2K for a guitar and it lasts more than a few months, I'm financially ahead of golf, video games, bowling, or most other pastimes that aren't free.
 

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davismanLV said:
The term which is bandied about and is in the subject of this thread, is "investment". To make things relevant I'd say you need to define that term. There are all kinds of "investments". Monetary and emotional, to name two. You really have to define that term otherwise it gets all screwed up.

There's another term, "value" which is a ratio of what you PAY for what you GET.

Some of these comparisons are apples and oranges.

Still..... it's fun to hear what people think about their guitars and the money they've spent over the years, and what they feel they've received in return.

Kinda depends on your point of view and what scale of judgement you're using. 8)

I like your take on "value." Very good.
 

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Well, we agree there, charlie! Golf is definitely a "loser" financially - it is just a game, and an expensive one at that. And I spend less on it than a lot of people!

And I certainly did not worry about the resale of my D64, but it is clear I "got my money's worth" out of it since its been my only acoustic guitar since I bought it in '84.

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As usual, I agree with your view Tom. This time on "value.". Must be the red wine. :)
 

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Ridgemont said:
If you are expecting to make a profit on your investment, then I would say that, more often than not, guitars are not a good investment or a great way to make money if you are not an expert. Yes there will be a dozen examples of really really old people posting saying that they bought their Guild for $500 back in 1972, and now the same guitar is selling for 3X that amount. It is great that you have a 300% increase in your investment, but it also took 40 years to achieve that. There are much better ways to invest $500 in you are solely in this to make money.

Guitar stores make money off of used instruments by buying low and selling high. These numbers, of course are dependent on the market value of the guitar, but I believe this to be the trend. Ever take your guitar into GC for a trade in? You will be appalled at the trade in value. But if you trade it in, your guitar will be on the shelf the next day selling for a much higher price. This business model also goes for individuals hoping to make money on flipping guitars. Buy low and sell high.

Outside of the above business model, buying a used guitar, regardless of brand or factory location, will provide a stable place to put your money. This goes on the assumption that you do not get taken advantage of when you buy. A used guitar will have already depreciated and you will be able to sell for roughly the same price assuming the guitar is in similar condition as to when you bought it. But like all things, if you damage it, it sells for less. In my opinion, this is minimal risk if you are relatively responsible.

Off topic, but I have never found a used guitar that did not have problems. For me, the money saved by buying used seems to correlate with issues needed to be addressed. Bad set up, unlevel frets, neck reset, body cracks, poor saddle design. The list goes on. In recent years, I have chosen to pay the premium for new to 1) avoid issues, 2) have a new guitar that I can break in myself, and 3) have a lifetime warranty in case there is a defect like some I found on my purchased used guitars. To each his own I guess.

I resemble that remark Ridge........"Really, really old people" bought a new Guild in '72? :shock: :lol: What if I bought a new Guild in '79?.........that make me just "really old"?

West
 

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West R Lee said:
I resemble that remark Ridge........"Really, really old people" bought a new Guild in '72? :shock: :lol: What if I bought a new Guild in '79?.........that make me just "really old"?
West
Didn't wanna have to come right out and say it, but... :p
 

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While we're at it, I said this in the thread Curlington originally meant to reply to, but I'll repeat it here too:
I happen to believe that if any collectability value increase is "hoped for", the best potential return is in buying a new instrument at a significant discount and babying it to death, just like with cars.
Let's be clear, I mean "hoped for", any other attitude is unrealistic, even if you're actually in the business of buying and selling "collectibles".
IIRC, the total list pricing of all 3 of mine is (was) $5500.00 but I'm into 'em for $3800.00 through fortuitous purchasing opportunities. I'm probably "underwater" about
$400.00 but I could call that an incredibly low cost to own all 3 of those guitars from new, problem free, and like others have mentioned, I could simply not put a price on the time the D25 has spent in my arms. In fact if that one was lost, it'd be irreplaceable 'cause there's just no way I'm ever gonna put that kind of time on a guitar again, I'm just too old now to do what I could do in my '40's on a long Saturday afternoon and late at night...
The D40 AND the F65ce are virtually mint save for a bit of pick scuffing and fret wear.
The D25's got some "mojo" but all the tone one would expect of a 17 year old guitar with 1300 hours of playing time. In fact, with only about 40 hours of playing on a 2 year old fret job, I consider it to be better than new...I save it for special times now...just to savor that "like new playability" with better than new sound.... :wink:
 

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West R Lee said:
I resemble that remark Ridge........"Really, really old people" bought a new Guild in '72? :shock: :lol: What if I bought a new Guild in '79?.........that make me just "really old"?

West
Well if it is '79, then just "really old." We will need to keep the "really really old" title for those who are much more decrepit. :lol:
 

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Ridgemont said:
West R Lee said:
I resemble that remark Ridge........"Really, really old people" bought a new Guild in '72? :shock: :lol: What if I bought a new Guild in '79?.........that make me just "really old"?

West
Well if it is '79, then just "really old." We will need to keep the "really really old" title for those who are much more decrepit. :lol:

Hey.... I resemble that remark!!! :roll: :lol:
 

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I feel really old... This really lovely young woman just joined our trumpet section in the symphony, and she had to miss rehearsal the other night to celebrate her dad's birthday with the family. Guess how old her dad is...

And, *I* bought my first new guitar in 1981 for goodness sake!!!

Yeah, I'm afraid geezerhood is all relative.
 

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Ridgemont said:
West R Lee said:
I resemble that remark Ridge........"Really, really old people" bought a new Guild in '72? :shock: :lol: What if I bought a new Guild in '79?.........that make me just "really old"?

West
Well if it is '79, then just "really old." We will need to keep the "really really old" title for those who are much more decrepit. :lol:


:shock: #@%&*!$
 

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Ridgemont said:
West R Lee said:
I resemble that remark Ridge........"Really, really old people" bought a new Guild in '72? :shock: :lol: What if I bought a new Guild in '79?.........that make me just "really old"?

West
Well if it is '79, then just "really old." We will need to keep the "really really old" title for those who are much more decrepit. :lol:
So, I don't suppose that since I didn't buy my first new Guild until 1994 that would qualify me as "relatively young"?

Yeah, I didn't think so...... :roll: :roll:
 
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