Neck Reset on a 68 D40

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I bought a ‘68 D40 in late June that needed a neck reset, I called around town and was quoted $600 to $1,200. McCabes referred me to someone that quoted $475. Hrs a retired cabinet maker and dabbles in this for fun, so I took it to him. Here’s a list of what he did and some fotos of the finished job.
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Guitar plays terrific, just curious as this is my first neck reset, is it common to see the shim? Should I have expected a nicer finish then this, or did I get what I paid for? For this guitar, not sure it matters, as it has tons of “mojo”, it has been PLAYED.

I have a ‘75 D55 I’m considering a neck reset, but it’s in nicer shape, so I wonder if it is common to see the shim.

By the way, this was not his first reset.
 

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The price for what was done is very good. However, there are some rough spots. Not sure what it looked like going in.
Guild, unlike Martin, used to finish the necks and bodies together, so when the neck comes off so does the finish at the joint.
Can't answer about shim.
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That girl needed some work done! 😬 You certainly got a lot for your money. At this point, the looks of the guitar are not what it's all about. It's the sound it puts out, the tone. And it's a burst. (y) As you say, it's all mojo. It's like a rapper with bullet scars, it's got cred! :cool:
 

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That looks like the shim that Guild used in the Hoboken era, though your D40 looks Westerly-built to me.

Are you sure the shim was not there before?
 

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Guitar plays terrific, just curious as this is my first neck reset, is it common to see the shim? Should I have expected a nicer finish then this, or did I get what I paid for? For this guitar, not sure it matters, as it has tons of “mojo”, it has been PLAYED.

I have a ‘75 D55 I’m considering a neck reset, but it’s in nicer shape, so I wonder if it is common to see the shim.

By the way, this was not his first reset.
Most recently came up regarding '66-'67 F20's as I recall, and yes it was "factory" for them, that's why @donnylang mentioned it was a Hoboken build technique but your guitar looks like a Westerly.

An actual '68 could still easily be Hoboken, though. We just don't know when D40 production started in Westerly and/or if it was "all at once" or if they actually built 'em in both places at the same time. They might have even started guitars in Hoboken and finished 'em in Westerly during the '67-'89 overlap period. Again we (or at least I) just don't know.

I'd be surprised if it was the latter, though. I suspect the shim's original from Hoboken.

Never heard of shims as late as '75, (was even kind of surprised at '68, didn't recall seeing one from that late) so the D55's a different story.
 
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If the guitar's geometry and structure have been restored and are stable, that's not a bad pricetag--a lot less than I paid a repair expert (who is also a friend, so I was getting a deal) for what he said was the most difficult reset he's ever done, on a '65 D-40. But then, he also made a new bridge and saddle and left the guitar in good cosmetic condition, considering its age. In any case, it's the voice and playability that matter.
 

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I'm not aware of any of the Gulld factories including shims under the fretboard extension as part of their standard build specs. Shims typically only get added when the neck is being reset, and the only Guilds I've seen with shims are the ones that had had neck resets done.

There are two kinds of neck resets (both involve removing the neck) and two kinds of shims.

The most common is where the neck angle is adjusted, and the headstock end of the neck is angled back. This involves reshaping the dovetail joint and fully reseating the neck as it was originally. In this instance a ramped shim is added to the underside of the fretboard extension (it's wedge-shaped like a door-stop) with the pointed end under the 14th fret and the thick end under the end of the fretboard extension.

The other kind of neck reset (less commonly seen) involves no change to the angle of the neck. Instead a shim which is the same thickness for its full length is glued under the fretboard extension and the neck is reseated a few millimeters higher than it was originally. This repair works but it means a tiny area of the guitar body previously covered by neck heel is now exposed.

In terms of the work you had done and what you paid -- IMO the price you paid was quite reasonable, but an experienced luthier who has done his or her fair share of neck resets would have likely done a neater job cosmetically, and charged more.

I imagine this was your furniture repair person's first attempt at a neck reset, yes?

Good info here:

http://www.fretnotguitarrepair.com/repair/acoustic-guitar/neck-resetting.php

As others have said, enjoy the guitar -- you've just extended its life by a couple decades!
 

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This is precisely why so many repair guys shy away from Guilds. Hard to do cosmetically. McCabes gave you good advise in that I'd venture all that work in LA would have cost you $1500. Your quotes were likely not for all the work you had done.
 

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Here’s a photo he sent me with neck off.

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he told me that he had done neck rests on guitars, and mandolins and showed me a banjo he was putting together, he does this as sort of a hobby, so I’m well aware that I got a good deal. The guitar was really beat up, so I did not need perfection. I was very impressed with the sound hole repair he did, as it was missing a piece of wood, I can’t even see the repair, wish I had a before foto.
 

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I’ve been reading ur D35, D40 quest with interest, Donnylang. This ‘68 D40 is my first experience with a 60s Guild. The guitar is incredibly light and unlike any guitar I have played. It’s bright and clear with good sustain weighted towards the middle strings and few harmonic overtones, typically a mahogany sound. In fact the first string is quieter than I’m used to in a strum, but is better sounding than a scalloped Martin, which I find have an annoying zing on the first string. Wish I could try ur D35.

I’m really enjoying playing this guitar as it is so different
 

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Thanks Hans!

So when did Guild stop adding shims? Most of the Guilds I own (or have owned -- 60+) are / were Westerly, and none have shims, except the couple that had neck resets. (I'll double check my Hobokens when they're next out for play.)
 

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I had a '73 F-512 that had a shim. Tom Jacobs fixed it and eliminated the shim. I don't think placing a shim is the best way to deal with a neck reset. IMO.
 

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This is precisely why so many repair guys shy away from Guilds. Hard to do cosmetically. McCabes gave you good advise in that I'd venture all that work in LA would have cost you $1500. Your quotes were likely not for all the work you had done.

I can tell you Tom Jacobs doesn't charge anywhere near that and his cosmetic work is top shelf as well. Of course, you do need to pay two way shipping and that's not cheap anymore but in my humble opinion it's well worth it.

I have another that will be heading his way soon for a neck reset.
 

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There are two repair shop prices, major metropolitan areas and the boonies. Major metro can be double. McCabes is in Santa Monica, an LA beach town. Much of this is what a shop has to pay for rent. The rest is for other high cost of living expenses.
 

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There are two repair shop prices, major metropolitan areas and the boonies. Major metro can be double. McCabes is in Santa Monica, an LA beach town. Much of this is what a shop has to pay for rent. The rest is for other high cost of living expenses.

Agree with you for sure. Which is why it may make sense to look for a more reasonable priced repair facility even if you need to incur shipping costs to get it there and back. Of course, if one is happy with his/her local repair guy and is willing to pay their going rates then it's not an issue. I was merely pointing out another alternative. It may not work for everyone but it's worked just fine for me.
 

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I can tell you Tom Jacobs doesn't charge anywhere near that and his cosmetic work is top shelf as well. Of course, you do need to pay two way shipping and that's not cheap anymore but in my humble opinion it's well worth it.

I have another that will be heading his way soon for a neck reset.
Is that the former Guild employee residing in Florida that I keep hearing about? When the time comes to have it done on my D-35 two way shipping costs wouldn’t be much of an issue for me. Local guy wants $1300 to do one and I wasn’t entirely satisfied with the touch up done on my D-4 that had a top crack repaired.
 
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