Maybe some hope for Guild
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SFIV1967
Venerated Member
I am sorry that I had to disagree, but Chris Middaugh shows the DD-6NC in below video at minute 1:00 and explains it has a mahogany body and a sitka spruce top, exactly as the specs show. Have a look. Also the look of the body wood is figured mahogany and not maple, and the top is sitka. My understanding was there was only that one prototype at NAMM.
http://youtu.be/9T2wNrwH1i4?t=1m
Ralf
SFIV1967
Venerated Member
The press release only said that domestic production of Ovation will stop but did not say so for both Guild and Fender Acoustic. I don't think Mexico qualifies as "domestic", that's why anything outside the US would be unlikely in my mind for both Guild and Fender Acoustic. I know you are much closer to the music industry than I am however....Only time will tell. We can speculate endless about that topic.
Ralf
JohnW63
Enlightened Member
I guess we need a map of the country with all the Fender owned factories and start throwing darts at it. I don't see Mexico being a destination. They could have them built somewhere in Asia, where they already build some of their stuff for less, probably.
adorshki
Reverential Member
Well for one thing it's kind of hard NOT to succeed here.
When you're surrounded by so much economic activity you tend to get floated along on the current.
In spite of my frequent jabs at my native state's political and economic peccadilloes, we must be doing something right.
If California was a sovereign nation instead of a constituent republic of the US, it would have the WORLD'S 8th largest economy, or 9th poised to regain 8th, this year.
Because of the climate and the almost unmatched access to international trade in terms of access to both raw materials and export markets, through the ports of Los Angeles, San Franciso, and Oakland, EVERYBODY wants to do business here.
Then there're the clothing optional beaches. :excitement:
Problem is, we're at or over the limit of one natural resource which trumps all others for population and industry growth (especially agriculture, our economic backbone): Water. California's had periodic water crises for the last 40 years now. And it's only gettin' worse.
From that perspective I can't fault tax policies and environmental regs which in the end tend to limit growth we barely have the resources to support in the first place..
Those points about access to international shipping and raw materials, in addition to having a ready manufacturing capacity, are what tend to put Corona way up on the list of potential new locations for Guild, in my humble opinion.
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bluesypicky
Enlightened Member
Tell'em like it is Alfonso! California rocks!... Shame it's so expensive.
Neal
Senior Member
Makes sense. Last time I checked, guitar-making was not a water-intensive process.
But I agree, for CA, AZ, UT, and NV, the hand-writing is on the wall. Lake Powell and Lake Mead are slowly silting in and drying up, the Sierra Nevada no longer hold the kind of snowpack they used to, and there are now 38.3 million thirsty Californians. I hear that during the summer, the Colorado River no longer makes it all the way to the Gulf of California. It is completely sucked dry by Las Vegas, Phoenix, LA and miles and miles of vegetable fields on both sides of the US-Mexican border. Something has to give.
Neal
But I agree, for CA, AZ, UT, and NV, the hand-writing is on the wall. Lake Powell and Lake Mead are slowly silting in and drying up, the Sierra Nevada no longer hold the kind of snowpack they used to, and there are now 38.3 million thirsty Californians. I hear that during the summer, the Colorado River no longer makes it all the way to the Gulf of California. It is completely sucked dry by Las Vegas, Phoenix, LA and miles and miles of vegetable fields on both sides of the US-Mexican border. Something has to give.
Neal
adorshki
Reverential Member
Yer just jealous 'cause I could pick up a Tesla at the factory if I wanted to.
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bluesypicky
Enlightened Member
Do they custom build them?
I know you wouldn't get one unless it's equipped with the extra zombie protection package.
But no sweat, they build this too in Calif: https://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motor...-built-road-and-track-attacker-134329643.html
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JohnW63
Enlightened Member
California used to be the 5th largest economy. The folks in Sacramento have messed up enough that even with all the things Al mentioned, business is leaving at a much bigger rate than they are arriving. We are about the highest taxed state, if not THE highest taxed state, in the nation and have 1/3 of all the welfare folks in the country. Most studies I have read show California is NOT a good business climate. Hence... the departures to other states.
And yet... Movie making is leaving. Manufacturing is leaving. High tech is leaving.
I'd say the politicians have figured out a way to make business fail, despite all that should be making the state the place to be.
And yet... Movie making is leaving. Manufacturing is leaving. High tech is leaving.
I'd say the politicians have figured out a way to make business fail, despite all that should be making the state the place to be.
6L6
Senior Member
JohnW63 is correct.
I guess it depends on where you live. High-tech is definitely not leaving the Bay Area. Not that the Bay Area is representative of the state's economy....
capo12
Junior Member
It appears that Guild's fate is to roam the countryside in some sort of weird hejira. In the meantime I'm glad I snagged a Guildson Orpheum 12 fretter. It's actually a great way to describe my guitar's sound. Who knows what will transpire with Guild and them that know ain't sayin' right now. From what I read about Guild's past locations they each have their followers and faithful and detractors. Perhaps even something milagro will transpire and we will be treated to a new guitar that astounds and finally allows Guild to find a home and peace from the many journeys. It's a venerable brand that deserves such a fate.
JohnW63
Enlightened Member
The bay area is just a weird area all together. It should be it's own state. How they vote doesn't match a lot of the state, but because they are close to Sacramento, everyone seems to think that IS how we all would vote. There is a guy with a petition to break the state into FIVE new states. NO better way to make 5 pointless states on the national level, but there are also good reasons to see WHY he would want to. Very distinct areas of the state that are not related to each other. If I were king... it would be Northern California for all the pot growers. The Bay Area. Everything else California.
Yeah, it's a pretty crazy crowd here. California isn't all that unique in the discrepancies between the high population centers and the "heartland" areas. I saw a lot of that in Massachusetts in my many years there.Best wishes, guys. Sometimes it's fun being a stranger in a strange land.
JohnW63
Enlightened Member
Funny Sci Fi reference !
srickl
Junior Member
Grok a Guild.
Unfortunately some folks are never going to be able to get past the whole "Westerly is best" thing. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion & those were great guitars. If the NH guitars didn't do it I doubt any Guild guitars from anywhere will but share your wish that we could all get on board on whatever location Guild ends up at though.
steverok
Member
It's probably more of a trust thing, since most people aren't near any new Guilds. They know they can purchase a Westerly in good condition and expect a good guitar. I'd prefer to buy a new Guild, but they're just nowhere to be found. In addition, I don't love some of the design choice made by NH, e.g., no Chesterfield logo on the standard series headstock. I wish they would keep the traditional look, however, I understand their desire to set themselves apart.
I totally agree regarding the Chesterfield logo. When you buy a $2,000+ Guild guitar you expect to have at least that. They are hard to find thanks to FMIC's horrible distribution policy, I had to wait on my D55 & bought it unseen/unplayed with the handshake agreement with my dealer that we would do a return/exchange if it was a dog. Well Like almost all Guilds, she was great. I had to WORK to buy my Guild guitar & until FMIC opens their eyes & changes some things they're not going to sell many with folks having to go to so much trouble to get one. If I hadn't been dead set on a Guild I would have thrown my hands up & bought a Martin or Gibson. My bet is more than a few people HAVE done just that.