Looking for a Guild x-500T
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Walter Broes
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Good luck!
Walter Broes
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Ah, shame. I didn't realise you were bidding on the one on Ebay.
guildzilla
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Bummer, gusto. That was by far the highest price I've seen an X-500 fetch on e-Bay, but I've not seen very many of the Paladin models for sale.
the last one i had seen sold for 1750. i was willing to go as high as 2200, then got caught up in the bidding war. 2700+ is way to much, imo. Ebay really inflates prices, if a rich person wants it you really have little chance.
Walter Broes
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$2700?!? That's about what I paid for both of my '62 Manhattans put together!!
They both came without Bigsbies, both needed a refret, and they're not blonde, or X500's, of course, but I know what I prefer!
They both came without Bigsbies, both needed a refret, and they're not blonde, or X500's, of course, but I know what I prefer!
I bid on that one too, but it went way too high for me. Of course, this auction was mentioned in a thread in this forum, so quite a few who wanted one of them knew about it.
BTW: There was another one a few weeks ago that was sold for 2800 on a BIN. I guess people have too much money. (And don't live in Norway where we suffer a really bad exchange rate at them moment.)
Oh well, hopefully there will be others.
Geir
BTW: There was another one a few weeks ago that was sold for 2800 on a BIN. I guess people have too much money. (And don't live in Norway where we suffer a really bad exchange rate at them moment.)
Oh well, hopefully there will be others.
Geir
It is interesting to read the comments like this. On the one hand, we Guild fans love that these fine instruments are undervalued, but then we complain when the market starts to "catch on" and possibly more properly value our beloved instruments. If the market for X-500T's is adjusting to the upper $2K range, I'm really happy that I already have acquired mine at a lower price. However, if someone offered me $2800 for mine, I would not take it - so that tends to validate what the market price is in terms of value.
By the way Geir, I was back in Denmark all last week again, and will probably return for a couple weeks in January. I usually fly through Amsterdam - it would be cool to find the time to meet some of the European Guild enthusiasts sometime when I am over there.
Hans - how far away from Shiphol are you?
Regards,
Tom Moll
By the way Geir, I was back in Denmark all last week again, and will probably return for a couple weeks in January. I usually fly through Amsterdam - it would be cool to find the time to meet some of the European Guild enthusiasts sometime when I am over there.
Hans - how far away from Shiphol are you?
Regards,
Tom Moll
You have a good point there, Tom. My comments must be seen from the point of view of one who has tried for years to become a Guild owner, but not yet succeeded, rather than from the point of view of one that already has one or more Guilds in his collection. My best interest at the moment is that the entry ticket remains low.
I have bid on auctions for a number of vintage 500s and 550s, as well as a couple of 350s. I especially remember a close to mint 550 a few years back, I think it sold for no less than 5500 dollars. But I never had the highest bid. Of course, there have been auctions where the guitar went below what would normally be my max, but where I didn't have the funds to bid with in the first place. So the timing has been lousy on occasions.
The 550T that sold for 2800 on BIN actually did so on the second try. At first it was offered with a BIN of 3500 (IIRC) and never reached the reserve as bids stopped at around 2000. Then suddenly someone decides to buy at 2800. So it only takes one that wants it and doesn't care much if it is 2 or 3 grand.
This latest one went a few hundred over my max, but that was really just an arbitrary idea of what I think it "should" cost, it is not like I would go broke paying 2700 instead of e.g. 2400. So maybe I just need to accept that it will cost that much the next time, and increase my limit. Which of course won't help poor gusto who'd rather they remained cheap...
Anyway, I am sure one day my luck will turn. I have bought a number of other guitars on eBay, and always been able to find one that went for a price I could afford. Just not an X.
Geir
I have bid on auctions for a number of vintage 500s and 550s, as well as a couple of 350s. I especially remember a close to mint 550 a few years back, I think it sold for no less than 5500 dollars. But I never had the highest bid. Of course, there have been auctions where the guitar went below what would normally be my max, but where I didn't have the funds to bid with in the first place. So the timing has been lousy on occasions.
The 550T that sold for 2800 on BIN actually did so on the second try. At first it was offered with a BIN of 3500 (IIRC) and never reached the reserve as bids stopped at around 2000. Then suddenly someone decides to buy at 2800. So it only takes one that wants it and doesn't care much if it is 2 or 3 grand.
This latest one went a few hundred over my max, but that was really just an arbitrary idea of what I think it "should" cost, it is not like I would go broke paying 2700 instead of e.g. 2400. So maybe I just need to accept that it will cost that much the next time, and increase my limit. Which of course won't help poor gusto who'd rather they remained cheap...
Anyway, I am sure one day my luck will turn. I have bought a number of other guitars on eBay, and always been able to find one that went for a price I could afford. Just not an X.
Geir
hansmoust
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tmoll said:
Hello Tom,
Not too far! About one and a half hour on the train going South. It's a pretty good connection and the train leaves from the Airport. Just take the escalator down, relax for about an hour, change trains in Rotterdam or Dordrecht and within half an hour you're in Breda, which is where I live.
Sincerely,
Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl
Hans,
That's cool - I will have to see what my travel arrangements will look like next trip and see if I could work it in. I am assuming that you accept visitors of course!!! I would bring my Guild book for you to autograph in person. If there is any possibility, I will contact you well ahead of time via PM to see if it is OK.
Thanks!
Tom
That's cool - I will have to see what my travel arrangements will look like next trip and see if I could work it in. I am assuming that you accept visitors of course!!! I would bring my Guild book for you to autograph in person. If there is any possibility, I will contact you well ahead of time via PM to see if it is OK.
Thanks!
Tom
Wow, $2,700 is nuts, though the T's are pretty rare. I'm amazed, considering there have been what I'd consider some screaming deals happening over the past few weeks.
A very nice 60's era SFIII with Dearmonds went for $1,600. A perfectly nice recent X150 went for $1,000. Then there was that x700 with the swapped out pickups and missing pickguard that went for $1,400 or $1,500 or something. That was nuts. A carved archtop under $1,500!??!!? No
A very nice 60's era SFIII with Dearmonds went for $1,600. A perfectly nice recent X150 went for $1,000. Then there was that x700 with the swapped out pickups and missing pickguard that went for $1,400 or $1,500 or something. That was nuts. A carved archtop under $1,500!??!!? No
Walter Broes
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Agreed. I guess there are quite a few people lusting after X500T's - which isn't all thàt surprising considering there are almost no new or even recent quality full-depth hollowbodies available with twin P90's.northbayj said:
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The rare/high end market isn't hurting at all, while the low to middle is sagging pretty badly.
Walter Broes
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While I won't pretend "I follow and know the market", I do have the impression the high end of the market isn't doing that well either - a lot of guitars are getting re-listed forever on Ebay, and archtops haven't been getting more expensive I think, quite the contrary. Which makes the price those X500T's are getting all the more suprising to me.Default said:
Yup. Supply and demand. When the supply is nearly non-existent, it doesn't take much demand to drive the price up. And as you say, there aren't that many current alternatives for people like myself who wants a P-90 Bigsby box.Walter Broes said:
The X-500T's had a list price of 3300, and while they sold for less I guess when no new ones are available, the price for near mint used one will eventually approach that level. I would gladly have paid say 2900 for a brand new one, if only they had been available in Norway for that price back then. So why would I not pay the same for a mint used one if that is the only alternative? This is different with guitars that are still in production.
The first one was up with a BIN of 2800, but I passed. Why? Psychology, I guess. We expect "used" to equal "cheaper", even if you are actually getting exactly the same thing. (Minus warranty, and plus the inherent risks of eBay'ing.) And I know that used ones used to sell for less than 2K. So I decided that a "sensible value" would be somewhere in the 2-2.5 K range, and a quick email discussion supported this. And so I decided to stick to that. Again: The difference between 2500 and 2800 is really marginal, it is not like one would be a bargain and the other would break my back. But something made me set that limit, and because of that I have no X-500T today.
I do of course hope that other X-500T owners will have noticed those two auctions and think "Hey, maybe this is a good time to sell mine", and so maybe the supply will catch up with the demand. Time will tell.
Geir
Walter Broes
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Whoever's responsible for Guild at FMIC should really pull their head out of their aXX - when five year old guitars start selling for pretty much what they listed for when new, I think you can safely say there's a demand for them... :|
Walter Broes
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I still say keep an eye on vintage X175's - I wouldn't trade mine for one of those X500T's, and paid substantially less.