Help with D25 please

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roughdiamond said:
Darryl Hattenhauer said:
Welcome, Rough. I know your brother Neil. I like this song about you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyqgjCKm9nQ

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Hi Hatted

Sorry but I can't access your link - "This video contains content from EMI, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds."

Have to ask though just out of curiosity who and what song is it?

thnx
Darryl ("Hatted Frau") may be the board's most highly skilled and proficient punster. :D
I'm all about alliteration myself, but I will occasionally engage in a battle of tits with him. Yes you heard me.
I will also, sometimes, steal from him, shamelessly. :lol:
The singer/songwriter reference is to Neil Diamond, the youtube link was to "Shine On You Crazy Diamond". I'm suspecting you know who Pink Floyd is (are?), but just in case...there it is. :wink:
 

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Ridgemont said:
roughdiamond said:
P.S. Tell me why Austin Texas has had some great songs written in it?

Its a bit hippie, a bit country, but all soul! One of the most eclectic places you will ever see.

Bit hippie would like = Ian MacLagan hanging around there still?
Bit country would like = outlaw movement to legendary troubadors passing thru?
Bit soul maybe = as above but survived that and to those not so alive but alive in spirit?

Some music I listen to anyways always feeds from in around about Austin circles
 

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roughdiamond said:
Hi Ross
you make an excellent point there thankyou! So like inside the box where a D28 serial no. stamp position would be? Would you know roughly what in timewise would be the diff in block set and final completion? I will definitely remember this one for more dealing ammo!
thnx kindly for that one
Think you missed this:
adorshki said:
My foggy memory says this was not neccessarily consistent prcatice, but I could be wrong. IIRC they might also be found on top braces during the period in question. And yes, they were put there when the basic body had been completed but before finishing and QC. The bodies could actually sit around for quite a while, even more than a year, although that's probably unlikely with a model as popular as the D25, but the stamps are better indicators of "it can't be older than 19XX"
S/n is a better gauge of true "born on date" and model year.
:wink:
 

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adorshki said:
roughdiamond said:
Darryl Hattenhauer said:
Welcome, Rough. I know your brother Neil. I like this song about you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyqgjCKm9nQ

Hatted Frau

Hi Hatted

Sorry but I can't access your link - "This video contains content from EMI, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds."

Have to ask though just out of curiosity who and what song is it?

thnx
Darryl ("Hatted Frau") may be the board's most highly skilled and proficient punster. :D
I'm all about alliteration myself, but I will occasionally engage in a battle of tits with him. Yes you heard me.
I will also, sometimes, steal from him, shamelessly. :lol:
The singer/songwriter reference is to Neil Diamond, the youtube link was to "Shine On You Crazy Diamond". I'm suspecting you know who Pink Floyd is (are?), but just in case...there it is. :wink:

Syd you mean? Ahhh sorry Austin is a University town
 

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roughdiamond said:
P.S. Tell me why Austin Texas has had some great songs written in it?
The beer is weak and the women are strong.
Also it's a university town. Lotta bands go there for the audiences. And the women. :lol:
 

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roughdiamond said:
Syd you mean?
Ahh no, two different entities were being referenced. Or rather, maybe I should say Neil Diamond is not a nom de plume for Syd Barrett in ANY of his multiple personalities. :lol:
 

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adorshki said:
roughdiamond said:
Hi Ross
you make an excellent point there thankyou! So like inside the box where a D28 serial no. stamp position would be? Would you know roughly what in timewise would be the diff in block set and final completion? I will definitely remember this one for more dealing ammo!
thnx kindly for that one
Think you missed this:
adorshki said:
My foggy memory says this was not neccessarily consistent prcatice, but I could be wrong. IIRC they might also be found on top braces during the period in question. And yes, they were put there when the basic body had been completed but before finishing and QC. The bodies could actually sit around for quite a while, even more than a year, although that's probably unlikely with a model as popular as the D25, but the stamps are better indicators of "it can't be older than 19XX"
S/n is a better gauge of true "born on date" and model year.
:wink:

Sorry missed that, I'm a slow typer. Ok will try look into box for top bracing too!
It's just a bit funny when I asked the seller for S/N and Hans told me it was a 1980 model and I replied to him that it looks like a 1980 model. He replies then that he is the original owner bought in 1978? Could be just a hippie, not that there's anything wrong with that!!
 

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roughdiamond said:
Sorry missed that, I'm a slow typer.
Me too, actually! :lol:
roughdiamond said:
He replies then that he is the original owner bought in 1978? Could be just a hippie, not that there's anything wrong with that!!
HEY! I resemble that remark! :lol:
Then I grew up and became a musician. :lol:
Seriously though, we have seen instances of new members who thought they bought their guitar in year 19xx only to have Hans come along and say: "Are you sure it was 19xx...?" :lol:
Anyway we'll give 'em a pass on that particular issue, it's believable. :lol:
 

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adorshki said:
roughdiamond said:
Sorry missed that, I'm a slow typer.
Me too, actually! :lol:
roughdiamond said:
He replies then that he is the original owner bought in 1978? Could be just a hippie, not that there's anything wrong with that!!
HEY! I resemble that remark! :lol:
Then I grew up and became a musician. :lol:
Seriously though, we have seen instances of new members who thought they bought their guitar in year 19xx only to have Hans come along and say: "Are you sure it was 19xx...?" :lol:
Anyway we'll give 'em a pass on that particular issue, it's believable. :lol:

Yeah i know guess it's true. Just saw an '80 D25 listed on this forum that was sold on ebay for $820US...
I'm forced to grow up but still fighting it as music doesn't pay...sigh sigh put another Mickey Newb song on
 

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roughdiamond said:
Yeah i know guess it's true. Just saw an '80 D25 listed on this forum that was sold on ebay for $820US...
I wouldn't worry too much about actual model year in the period your're looking at, I don't think there were any really substantial changes except possibly going from the open back to closed tuners. REAL changes in construction (bracing for one) started around '85 IIRC with the coming of George Gruhn and luthier Kim Walker to Guild. The hallmark on those '25's is the "narrrow" headstock.
And here's a recent post from Hans pointing out how precisely the s/n's can be traced if he's got the records:
hansmoust said:
I looked up the serial number in the ledgers of 'final assembly' and I found out that your F-212 with serial # 31720 was completed on Thursday May 28, 1964.
It's in a thread titled "F212"
 

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valleyguy said:
adorshki said:
roughdiamond said:
P.S. Tell me why Austin Texas has had some great songs written in it?
The beer is weak and the women are strong.
Also it's a university town. Lotta bands go there for the audiences. And the women. :lol:

Austin has also become a mecca of sorts for singer songwriters. Jame McMurtry is one of my favorites:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQI_lI0vC6Y&feature=feedf

Absolutely - Ruby and Carlos gets me evertime. Alejandro around there lately? Used to see Jackie Bristow in BB's wine bar years ago - is she getting any attention?
 

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roughdiamond said:
valleyguy said:
And here's James McMurtry playing a Guild:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1GwwZiZMII&feature=related
Can't tell the model.
Don't know much about guilds guessing F?? something dunno

Clues are narrow headstock w/ chesterfield, "dot" fret markers, and white binding. Probably JF30 or GF30 or 50. Or possibly F30, but looks a little larger than that.
Hard to tell without better pics of side and back woods.
 

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Hi roughdiamond,
If you're familiar with the Dublin singer/songwriter scene of old, you might know Freddie White, his main guitar was and still is a 1972 flat back Guild D25 with solid mahogany top, sides and back.
His style is a mixture of fingerpicking and strumming and he does push that old guitar often.

Here he is with the D25 playing Zappa's Pojama People

I have the same model and year and its a great guitar.
When I lived in Ireland 30 years ago, Dublin had no decent guitar shops let alone a vintage guitar scene, the cool guitar shops were always outside Dublin.
So if that hasn't changed and you're looking to try out some old guitars, try Kilkenny Vintage Guitars.
Maybe you can go down for a strum instead of buying off the net sight unseen.
 

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Hey ca35,
Yeah, that old flat back all hog 1972 D25 just has that oomph that can be heard even through the FX that he uses.
Here he is with the same guitar in a pub in Wexford Town, Ireland

For me its the all mahogany construction that makes the difference, not the flat or curved back, the mahogany top seems to give that extra lower midrange bite.
Back then, as far as construction and bling was concerned, this was an entry model, a "plain jane", just that hog top was different from all other Guild dreads and jumbos.
There were of course the 60's Hoboken Guild M20s and M30s which also had mahogany soundboards, but with smaller bodies and less volume.
Guild D25's from 1968 to 1973 have that hog top on a powerful dreadnaught body, I once spoke to Freddie about it and he said he'd tried and played many a high end guitar since the 70s, but always came back to this old D25.
 

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johnny3j said:
Hi roughdiamond,
If you're familiar with the Dublin singer/songwriter scene of old, you might know Freddie White, his main guitar was and still is a 1972 flat back Guild D25 with solid mahogany top, sides and back.
His style is a mixture of fingerpicking and strumming and he does push that old guitar often.

Here he is with the D25 playing Zappa's Pojama People

I have the same model and year and its a great guitar.
When I lived in Ireland 30 years ago, Dublin had no decent guitar shops let alone a vintage guitar scene, the cool guitar shops were always outside Dublin.
So if that hasn't changed and you're looking to try out some old guitars, try Kilkenny Vintage Guitars.
Maybe you can go down for a strum instead of buying off the net sight unseen.

Hi johnny
thnx kindly for the links. Can't say I knew the scene back then as I'm an immigrant to these green shores but I can appreciate that great irish folk song Desperado's! As for Dublands axe shops Goodwins is still on Capel St and the rest are souless. Don't know your man in Kilkenny but it must be a little outside the town for I haven't come across it but much obliged for the heads up. A new shop has opened on Exchequer St stocking Guilds recently but I think there getting 'em from across the sea ferry and incl. middleman fee plus when I was there they had none in stock. Still nice to know that they do get them in as the only guild supplier I know in town. As for Freddie White I have indeed heard the name but have not seen him but will keep an ear out. You've definitely got me wondering about the mahogany top....

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Don't know your man in Kilkenny but it must be a little outside the town for I haven't come across it but much obliged for the heads up.

He's in Thomastown, a bit south of Kilkenny town itself, but sounds savvy and his prices are civil. In my day, the top address was Foley's in Carlow. At the time, the only musicians with money to spend weren't rock or folk musos, they were showband guys who would trade in their gear every two years or so.
Because these guys travelled a lot overseas, they brought back some nice pieces sometimes, and when it came time to pay taxes, they would often go to Foley's, invest in new gear to offset taxes and look for cash trade-ins on the stuff they had picked up on their travels.
In the 70's in Dublin, Walton's were the official Gibson importers for Ireland, but usually had only one Les Paul in the window, if you asked, they'd say "What colour? What model? We'll order it for you", which meant buying sight unseen and was a bit daunting when you consider the new prices for such instruments at that time. So for us impoverished musos, Dublin had nothing to offer.

Foley's, however, was literally a terraced house in a housing estate in Carlow, with two shipping containers in the back. One was the shop, the other was full of gear, the cigar chomping Michael Foley used to say "I haven't a clue what's in there, but its worth a million quid" :D.

I bought a Vox AC50, a 60s Telecaster (wish I still had it!) and a bunch of broken SGs (out of three wrecks I got one serviceable guitar) there in 1979 for half nothing.
On the walls were old Flying Vs, Les Pauls, Explorers, Strats, a billion Teles (due to the plague of 60s/70s Country'n'Irish :? ).

Most of the customers were from everywhere except Dublin, of the showband ilk, and only had eyes for Teles and Twins. If I'd been a bit older, with a modicum of common sense and a bit more wedge, I could often have have made a killing there.

Crowley's in Cork was also better than anything Dublin had to offer.
Slight veer, but relevant to buying guitars in Ireland, later I worked for Rory Gallagher, who bought his iconic '61 Strat from Crowley's in McCurtain St., Cork city in the mid 60's.
The only reason Rory bought that guitar was because the original customer who ordered it wanted a red Strat like Hank Marvin's and didn't want the tobacco sunburst one that got sent over through some screw-up by Leo's shipping Dept.
Rory jumped at it for 100 quid and played it almost exclusively until he died. I had the privilege of hearing that Strat on stage and in countless hotel rooms, what a guitar, what a player and what a stroke of luck!
Not relevant, but I bought a mint '64 Fender Mustang from Michael Crowley (RIP) in '77 for 125 quid, my GF at the time used to hate going there with me because I would spend hours checking out what he had in stock :twisted: .

Anyway, thanks for stimulating the part of my brain that had held this useless info for the last 35 years and good luck on your search for the ideal Guild in Ireland (which is an early 70s all hog D25 :D )
 
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