Guild Sighting - Simon & Garfunkel 1967: Homeward Bound
- Thread starter Scratch
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F-212XL, Scratchy?
Scratch
Enlightened Member
Believe so, Chaz...
And these appears to be his F30?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE3kKUEY ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I78HxruQ ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_ujfso7 ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSw-DrxAhEU&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoWF2Yal ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msRshbeU ... re=related
And these appears to be his F30?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE3kKUEY ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I78HxruQ ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_ujfso7 ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSw-DrxAhEU&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoWF2Yal ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msRshbeU ... re=related
Chazmo said:
Did the 212-XL ever have a headstock without the Chesterfield?
Brad
Hi Brad,
Gee, I don't know for sure... Hans' book talks about the XL being introduced in 1966... Don't really know what the story is with the Chesterfield, but I see that showing up in 1968 on several models.
Simon is a small guy, but that looks like a 17" bout to me. Could be wrong though... If it isn't, well, I supposed that could be an F-312. Hans' book has a picture of one of those that has the non-Chesterfield headstock. Still, I'm sticking with the XL for now.
Gee, I don't know for sure... Hans' book talks about the XL being introduced in 1966... Don't really know what the story is with the Chesterfield, but I see that showing up in 1968 on several models.
Simon is a small guy, but that looks like a 17" bout to me. Could be wrong though... If it isn't, well, I supposed that could be an F-312. Hans' book has a picture of one of those that has the non-Chesterfield headstock. Still, I'm sticking with the XL for now.
chicagowineguy
Member
Damn...thanks for those links! I forget too easily what a genius Paul Simon was and is...and who sang harmony better than Artie?
hansmoust
Enlightened Member
Chazmo said:
Hello Chazmo,
Believe that's an F-312.
Scratch said:
Hello Scratch,
Yes, but if you take a good look at the videos, you will notice that he had 2 slightly different Guild F-30 Special models.
Sincerely,
Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl
I just acquired this album recently - live 1969 recorded at various concert locations, never before released - WOW :shock:
F-312 it is, then, Hans!
jgmaute
Member
If you scroll down on this link you'll see a picture of Janis Ian in 1967 playing a Guild 12.
JanisIan
In the text she states that Guild made two prototypes and gave one to her and one to Paul Simon. Since they both are short these could have been the 312 prototypes. My f312 is a '67 and it has the Chesterfield on the head. joan
JanisIan
In the text she states that Guild made two prototypes and gave one to her and one to Paul Simon. Since they both are short these could have been the 312 prototypes. My f312 is a '67 and it has the Chesterfield on the head. joan
Alec
Junior Member
My father's 212 XL does not have the chesterfield logo, and Hans did post a reply in a thread here somewhere about the early 212 XL's not having the logo . . .
It's funny, I ran into a guy the other day at the luthier whom I let play my 512 -- I could tell he was looking for the high G (I pair my G's) -- he said he always tunes his twelves with octal G's because of a Simon & Garfunkel tune tht he spent a year trying to figure out: until he realized the extra a was third string second, not 1st string 5th . . . Gotta love the twelve string guitar!
It's funny, I ran into a guy the other day at the luthier whom I let play my 512 -- I could tell he was looking for the high G (I pair my G's) -- he said he always tunes his twelves with octal G's because of a Simon & Garfunkel tune tht he spent a year trying to figure out: until he realized the extra a was third string second, not 1st string 5th . . . Gotta love the twelve string guitar!
Alec
Junior Member
Sorry. It must have been too late last night for me to type in complete sentences.
I string my 12 strings with a paired G: that is, instead of tuning the 6th string an octave higher than the 5th string as is more usually done, I use two identical strings, and tune them both to the same pitch (similar to the 1st & 2nd string, and 3rd & 4th string pairs).
The story, which would be a lot better if I could remember the name of the song, has to do with playing a short A chord (strings 2, 3, & 4 at the second fret -- in regular tuning on a six string) on a twelve string which gives you, on the 6th string, if it is an octave above the 5th, the same pitch that you would get from playing a long A chord (1st string at the 5th fret, strings 2,3,4 at the second fret) on a six string. On the six string, to get that pitch, you have to give up your open first string E . . .
I hope this made sense. Not sure that it is worth caring about, and probably constitutes a veer.
I string my 12 strings with a paired G: that is, instead of tuning the 6th string an octave higher than the 5th string as is more usually done, I use two identical strings, and tune them both to the same pitch (similar to the 1st & 2nd string, and 3rd & 4th string pairs).
The story, which would be a lot better if I could remember the name of the song, has to do with playing a short A chord (strings 2, 3, & 4 at the second fret -- in regular tuning on a six string) on a twelve string which gives you, on the 6th string, if it is an octave above the 5th, the same pitch that you would get from playing a long A chord (1st string at the 5th fret, strings 2,3,4 at the second fret) on a six string. On the six string, to get that pitch, you have to give up your open first string E . . .
I hope this made sense. Not sure that it is worth caring about, and probably constitutes a veer.
jp
Senior Member
Thanks for the post Scratch. It's been a long time since I've listened to S&G. I ended up watching a whole string of vids. Man, what great tunes! And of course great Guild. The first Guild 12 I ever saw or heard was played my 4th grade teacher, Sister Mary Nathaniel whose favorite artist was Jimi Hendrix :mrgreen:
Scratch
Enlightened Member
jp said:
You're welcome JP. Great music IMO. Head still firmly entrenched in the 60s and 70s... Best... Ken sends
Ce n'est rien Fab. Too much HS French and incessant repetition ... don't tell me you don't remember :evil: .... :wink:fab467 said:
capnjuan said:
Hi capn:
I remember both versions of that song. My sister owned the 1960 Rydell single (on Cameo records) which I used to often "borrow" and add to my personal playlist.
BTW, wasn't that haircut known as a "D.A." back in the day? Wish I had enough left on top to try that style today... :lol: