Guild F20 1969 $899 Hoboken label but built at Westerly

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Guild F20 1969 $899 includes CONUS shipping. Hoboken label but built at Westerly.

The pictures make the finish dings and dongs look worse than in real life. I wanted to be thorough and took many shots with different lighting.

Pictures at:
https://picasaweb.google.com/Daveand...bovYH_2baCkgE#

Articulate tone. Some cosmetic marks as described but it is fundamentally sound. Everything is original and in working order, and it stays in tune. The honest wear comes with the territory. It had the neck reset and a refret job last year. This guitar has absolutely no issues. The action at the 12th low e is 3/32”. It is not loud but I don’t think these were designed to be loud.

The finish is lightly flaking at several limited spots (see pictures), but the underlying wood is not gouged other than the headstock is slightly rounded a bit in places on the edge, as you can see in the pictures. The headstock veneer is curled slightly on the edges. There are two significant dings on the neck, but not in a place that affects play. There is a horizontal stand burn on the finish up the neck, and occasionally I have experienced the neck finish getting just slightly tacky in the right meteorological conditions. I am overstating the flaws in the interest of full disclosure. This guitar has been around the block but it's a fun old Guild.

Beautiful woods are totally solid, with just one slight, stable surface crack near the pickguard (please see pictures). The crack does not extend to the soundhole or to the other side of the bridge. The Luthier saw no need to cleat it or otherwise do anything to it.

It’s very fun to fool around with, although I strum/flatpick with runs mostly, and I’m not really a fingerstyler. It has a distinctive woody, ringing clear tone. I have about $1,200 into it with the new Superior case, which fits perfectly.

I had it up for sale here in 2012: http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/sh...1969-price-drop-again-999-incl-CONUS-shipping
(The original post includes a link to pictures).

No shipping outside the US, please. Paypal and U.S. Postal Money Orders only, please. 72 hour approval for LTG posters. A donation of 3% to LTG will be made upon sale.
 
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So, my '71 Westerly F-20 is long scale (25.5) and has a 1 11/16" nut.

We have been trying to pin down when the switch was made from the earlier F-20's which were short scale (24.75) and had a 1 5/8" nut.

Can you speak to these measurements on your '69?
 

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So, my '71 Westerly F-20 is long scale (25.5) and has a 1 11/16" nut.

We have been trying to pin down when the switch was made from the earlier F-20's which were short scale (24.75) and had a 1 5/8" nut.

Can you speak to these measurements on your '69?

I have a 1970 F-20 that is short scale and 1 5/8" nut width
 

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Thanks, jcwu, for posting the correct link to the pics.

Back in 2013, I posted that the scale length is on the short side, 24 3/4" or 24 5/8". I am thinking it is 1 5/8" at the nut, as it is feels small, but I will measure and post the results.
 

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Thanks, mavuser and Curlington.

Hans had previously reported that '71 might be a line of demarcation between short and long scale on the F-20. But, as with all things Guild, there are examples that are out of bounds, with some later F-20's made with short scales. But we have yet to find one earlier than '71 with a long scale.
 

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Is this still around? Pictures don't work and your pm box is full
 

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I don't have a precision measurement tool but using my trusty tape measure, it looks like my 1965 F 20 has a 1 11/16" nut and a 25" scale length.

So, my '71 Westerly F-20 is long scale (25.5) and has a 1 11/16" nut.

We have been trying to pin down when the switch was made from the earlier F-20's which were short scale (24.75) and had a 1 5/8" nut.

Can you speak to these measurements on your '69?
 

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I don't have a precision measurement tool but using my trusty tape measure, it looks like my 1965 F 20 has a 1 11/16" nut and a 25" scale length.
Doesn't need a precision measure but should be either 24-3/4 (short scale) or 25-5/8. (sometimes abbreviated as 25.5).
Measure from fretboard side of nut edge to 12th fret wire, and double that length.
 

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Forgive me Al for I am an old man with poor eyesight and am often times confused and addled (don't know what that word means but I really like saying it)

I remeasured and 25.5" it is.
 

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I'm interested...any pictures?
 

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Forgive me Al for I am an old man with poor eyesight and am often times confused and addled (don't know what that word means but I really like saying it)

I remeasured and 25.5" it is.

It was only a mite confusing becauee it was right in between the 2 standards, otherwise I'd have assumed you were casually rounding to the nearest whole inch.
And truth to tell, even though I know the saddle's slanted for intonation compensation, couldn't remember which string is supposed to be "right at scale length" (think it's the bass E); and realized that might have been part of the error too, if you measured a whole string.
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The nut on my F20 for sale is 1 5/8". I'll work on getting the pictures up to a photo hosting service. Any suggestions on a good service? I really liked google picasa. RIP.
 

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As I said in the original post, the link for which is given on the first page of this thread, the scale length on my F20 for sale here is on the short side, 24 3/4" or 24 5/8".
 

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Man - this is tempting... Looking for a sunburst F-20 player of this vintage for my daughter. She's very petite and needs the short scale and 1 5/8 nut. This ticks all of the boxes except for the sunburst. Maybe I should buy this one for myself so she can try the F-20 on for size... Thanks for posting, Curlington.
 

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Forgive me Al for I am an old man with poor eyesight and am often times confused and addled (don't know what that word means but I really like saying it)

I remeasured and 25.5" it is.

I made Richard measure again, it is 24.75"! classic!!
 

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If I measured again, I'd probably get yet another answer. It's kinda fun getting old. Everyone just seems to expect you to mess up and I seldom disappoint.
 
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