Brand New F-612 Anyone?

Brucebubs

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I emailed Cordoba the following,

Quick question – possibility of a limited run of the F-612 12-string with 18" lower bout?
Put me down for one.

They replied,


Patrick Brophy (Cordoba Music Group)
Oct 12, 2020, 8:50 AM PDT
Hi Bruce,

Thanks for reaching out! That sounds like a really cool idea! I have forwarded this to our products team in case they are ever interested in doing something like that.

Have a nice day!

Anyone else out there prepared to add their name to the list?
 

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Mine! I also wrote on facebook about it....I would also love to see a MIUSA Starfire VI and a S300.
 

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Not a real 12 string fan but they can add a Westerly R.I. sized, traditional F 40 Maple to the lineup. I would love that.
 

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In my early years it was a 12-string or nothing, and the Guild F-612 was the holy grail (the Unicorn) of 12 strings for me. But age has taken it's toll on my hands and joints, so now its an OM 6-string (or smaller) or nothing. That being said, I would think that a F-612 (with it's long scale neck) would require all new molds, tooling, etc. It doesn't seem practical to go through that engineering exercise for a handful of guitars in this day and age. But Guild did it once, so I guess they could do it again. If Cordoba chooses not to move forward with a new F-612, I would think a F-512 Special (with the F-612 trim / inlays) would still be a nice addition to the Guild line-up. Cordoba marketing could call this F-512 Special a Mini F-612. (y)

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Cordoba marketing could call this F-512 Special a Mini F-612. (y)
Tommy
Warning snark alert: Nah, they'll just call it an F612 much like they call the 'hog F50 body an F40.

I agree about tooling up a body buck for an 18" lower bout, and suspect there's something going withe either the body bucks or the archback dies (or both) to make true 16" jumbo F40's as Richardp69 (and I) would like to see.
 

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I’ve actually been asking them for years -Corona, Hartford. They always say they’ll consider it. I think they need to to something innovative like that. How about JD f50 r. Paul Simon f30r JD f612 there is much competition with boutique instruments in this day and age.
 

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How about JD f50 r. Paul Simon f30r JD f612 there is much competition with boutique instruments in this day and age.

I talked to Guild decades ago about a JD commemorative line of guitars, and the jest of the matter was that royalties to the person or that person's estate would have to be worked out prior to using the said name on a product, catalog, etc. It simply wasn't worth the hassle for Guild at that time, and I don't think much has changed since then. So yes, Guild could make a new F50R AA and not use or mention JD's name, but where is the fun in that. The other issue that Guild has to deal with is that there are two, possibly three generations trailing behind us who could care less about JD and Paul Simon. Guild really needs to be concentrating on bringing the younger generations along with the younger performing artists into the Guild family. JD and Paul Simon are not going to get you there.

I own Guild guitars because of JD, and will continue to do so. At this point I'll just stick a "Far Out" sticker on my guitar and guitar case and call it a day. That will be my JD commemorative Guild guitar on a budget. (y)

Tommy
 

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While a F612 would be interesting I’d rather a smaller F312 which would have more appeal to those of us who can no longer play large guitars, and probably the younger generation as well. Even a MIA F312ce would be welcome.
 

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So, based on the current F-512 MSRP pricing, how much do you think a limited run F-612 will cost?

Tommy
 

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I'm a long time member but not much of a poster, but any mention of F612's always gets my attention. Like many here an F612 has always been my holy grail guitar since getting to play one a long time ago.

A little history, I worked for a large midwest Guild dealer through the 70's and 80's and special ordered an F512 in 1973 (picked it up at the factory). I remember the day I ordered it the price list actually had the F612 listed ($1,000) and I almost ordered one but just couldn't handle the higher cost. To this day I wonder if I would have ordered it would they even have been able to build me one or were they already out pf production. I've heard that they were built in a few very small batches. Since then I bought a 1972 F512 with the fingerboard figures, large size rosewood bridge with slotted diamonds, tortoise shell pick guard, kind of an F612 lite. The difference from 1972 to 1973 is drastic, both are very good guitars but very different.

The older I get the more I'm glad not to have the 18"body, 17" body seems to get a little bigger every year. If Cordoba had any plans of a custom 12-string, the following is my idea of the way to do it:

F512 Custom (or call it an F612)
17" rosewood body, flat two-piece back
Bound ebony FB with figures but do a nice job on the inlay (not like the originals)
Checkerboard purfling on top, sound hole and peghead
Large rosewood bridge with pearl inlay on both sides
Tortoise shell pickguard
Full size gold plated Grover machines a must

Basically F612 specs in a 17" body. With the new bracing I would think it could come close to the deep bass rumble that the F612's had without having the big body. Maybe, while they're at it, an F312 version (with mini Grovers) would be fun.

There you go, my two cents. Sorry for the long read, hoping Cordoba reads this and thinks "hey, we could actually do that pretty easily" We can at least hope.
 
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I'm a long time member but not much of a poster, but any mention of F612's always gets my attention. Like many here an F612 has always been my holy grail guitar since getting to play one a long time ago.

A little history, I worked for a large midwest Guild dealer through the 70's and 80's and special ordered an F512 in 1973 (picked it up at the factory). I remember the day I ordered it the price list actually had the F612 listed ($1,000) and I almost ordered one but just couldn't handle the higher cost. To this day I wonder if I would have ordered it would they even have been able to build me one or were they already out pf production. I've heard that they were built in a few very small batches. Since then I bought a 1972 F512 with the fingerboard figures, large size rosewood bridge with slotted diamonds, tortoise shell pick guard, kind of an F612 lite. The difference from 1972 to 1973 is drastic, both are very good guitars but very different.

The older I get the more I'm glad not to have the 18"body, 17" body seems to get a little bigger every year. If Cordoba had any plans of a custom 12-string, the following is my idea of the way to do it:

F512 Custom (or call it an F612)
17" rosewood body, flat two-piece back
Bound ebony FB with figures but do a nice job on the inlay (not like the originals)
Checkerboard purfling on top, sound hole and peghead
Large rosewood bridge with pearl inlay on both sides
Tortoise shell pickguard
Full size gold plated Grover machines a must

Basically F612 specs in a 17" body. With the new bracing I would think it could come close to the deep bass rumble that the F612's had without having the big body. Maybe, while they're at it, an F312 version (with mini Grovers) would be fun.

There you go, my two cents. Sorry for the long read, hoping Cordoba reads this and thinks "hey, we could actually do that pretty easily" We can at least hope.


That would be a beautiful guitar but it would really only be as you say ... a F-512 Custom.
One of the unique feature of the original F-612 was the 18" lower bout - reducing that to 17" means it's no longer a F-612.
 

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The older I get the more I'm glad not to have the 18"body, 17" body seems to get a little bigger every year.
Right, I didn't really start to fall in love with the F65ce until about 5 years ago when I realized how much more comfortable it was to play. F40 family, baby! 16" jumbos rule!! :)
 

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While a F612 would be interesting I’d rather a smaller F312 which would have more appeal to those of us who can no longer play large guitars, and probably the younger generation as well.

Agreed! I've played some small body 12-strings from Taylor and they have an incredibly sweet voice. An F-30 size 12-string would bring a new (old) voice to the current Guild line.
 

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> 16” F-40
> 1970s body shape
> 1-11/16” nut
> maple & rosewood versions
> SHORT SCALE !!!
 

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I think that there was a fair amount of repair/warranty work involved on the original F-612 guitars and I don't see the forces that make these decisions green lighting an expensive reissue that will ultimately bring back a large repair bill for the Company to straighten out.

Along the same line, Martin has the Authentic series of guitars built to original specs. In a speech by Chris Martin when the Authentic line came out, It was revealed that the Company was going to set aside aside $1,000 on every Authentic guitar to pay for future warranty 'issues' (I saw it on Youtube when Chris Martin introduced the official model years ago. Can't find the link now, sorry).

Do you guys think Oxnard would do that?

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If I'm reading the spec right the B-50 has an 18" lower bout. I am not keeping up with the acoustic bass market - there's nothing wrong with my B-50 and I have better things to do than window shop when I am unlikely to buy - but if the niche remains in the market, it seems easy to imagine a new B-50 that shares some tooling with a F-612.
 

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Too old; too much arthritis. Could use a small body short scale 12er with the 612 ("Florentine?") inlays.
 
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