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Just had a nice conversation with Jay at New Hope Guitar Traders, and this '71 PEARWOOD D-44 will be heading to my house by Wednesday (arriving next Tuesday or Wednesday)! Sounds like the top crack doesn't go thru (and it doesn't look THAT visible in the close-up)... aside from that and a few dings on the back, everything sounds good. Makes missing Arlington a little more bearable... but I can't wait 'til next week!
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Congrats! I have one from 72 and it has a great neck, not to mention a unique sound with the pearwood. Eager to hear (and see) your review.
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Congratulations, David. Can't wait to see the pictures. I purchased a wonderful G-37 from jay several weeks ago. Super guitar; everything I hoped for. Best...Ken
 

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Great, Dave! I can't say I know what pearwood sounds like, but obviously that instrument is from the days Guild was as experimental or perhaps even more so than Martin is today. I'm thinking about a way to get you down to writing a test or a shoot-out of your views on the various woods utilised by Guild, you being the owner of a wide variety of them, if I'm not misstaken.
 

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Well, she actually showed up Friday... a couple days early. To be honest, my first impression was a bit mixed. She's taken some hard knocks in her 37 years, and is in need of some TLC. Her top has what appears to be an impact crack.... from its appearance and position, I am betting the case lid/latch fell on her. It is definitely cracked thru the soundboard (but only two tiny pin pricks of light shine thru), and moves a bit, so will need gluing. Ends at the braces inside, so shouldn't travel any further. She also must have been dropped on her endpin, as there is a hairline crack in her tail that goes clear thru the tailblock inside. So that will need to be repaired (glued and splinted inside?). Finally, the peghead veneer is separating at the nut... its actually being wedged up by the nut, which is a little too wide for the slot. So a new nut, and some glue for the veneer.

Now some pluses... the neck, frets, and fretboard (ebony) are in good shape. Action is medium (lo/hi Es ~7/64" and ~5/64" at the 12th fret), and she plays easily, even with mediums on her. She's got a bit more radius to her fretboard than most of my other Guilds (the D-46 fretboard seems flat, by comparison). The bridge (rosewood) is tight to the top (may have been reglued), and there is plenty of saddle left (tho' the saddle is too narrow, and tilts forward... will need to be replaced). String spacing is a bit narrow... but she needs a new nut, anyway. Like my '72 D-35, she is lightly-built (by Guild standards). Significantly lighter than my other flat-backed dreads (D-46 and D-55). Again, it makes me speculate that a design transition occurred sometime in the mid-'70s

Spent and an hour with her and my luthier going over her pretty carefully Saturday, and didn't turn up any other issues. In the end, the pluses outweighed the issues, so here she stays... rounding out my collection of tonewoods. Now, I just need the other two D-25 variants (all 'hog flat and all 'hog arched), and a flat-backed maple D-44...then, I'll start on the jumbos!

I didn't leave her with Tom to work on, yet, as I wanted a week or two to play her, and let her acclimate before the setup. Then she'll go in for her repairs and setup, incl new bone nut and compensated saddle. I'll have to play around with strings... so far, I like the new JP PBs Jay put on her... but might drop to bluegrass gauge to save my fingers a bit (and ease the strain on neck and saddle). Also thinking about new Orth pins...

I had her delivered to my office, and didn't have a tuner (didn't expect her 'til this week), so just tuned her by ear, guessing where the low E should be (turned out I was a half step low, and was tuned to D#). Even so, she had great tone. Tuned her up to standard pitch when I got her home... and played her for a couple hours spread over the weekend (fingers got a bit tender, because Jay strung her with meds, and I usually play lights). Did some back and forth comparisons... and she certainly holds her own with all my other Guilds. Don't know quite how to describe her tone... She's got good rich bass, nice mids, and a good ring to the trebles. Richer than my mahogany '72 D-35, I think. A bit more "open" sounding than my maple '74 G-37, but smoother and less brassy than my ash D-46. Just can't describe it... other than to say it's unique. Sort of like the best of 'hog and maple blended together?

Anyway... there are my "first" impressions. Six Guild dread models, from entry-level to top line, spanning 21 years (1971-1992). Five different tone woods... all of them with their own, unique sound.

I'll post some pics when I have a chance to shoot some, probably not 'til this weekend.

Finally, thanks to Jay at New Hope... Quick shipping, threw in another set of JPs, IMO, a fair and honest deal for both of us.
Dave
 

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Sounds like it will be a nice guitar after Tom gets done with her.
It would be fun to own that many different tone woods.
I'm so set on Rosewood, that everything else sounds foreign to my ears.

Tom has my new Recording King right now.
He is giving it a fret crown and polish to go with the new saddle that he installed.
Yes, it's Rosewood.
 

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Took a few photos of my "new" old D-44 last evening:
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She certainly shows her age, and her share of knocks and dings. You can see her top crack in the first pic (bass side, lower bout)... good thing is, it's under my arm out of sight when I play her. Got a couple chips thru her finish and pretty good buckle "worm" tracks on her back, and capo scars along her neck.

Was pleased to find she has the old-style divided column Chesterfield logo and old metal truss cover:
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Been playing her for a week now, and am still quite pleased with her sound and feel. She's closest to my G-37 in tone, but seems a little more "open." I've got JP PB bluegrass on her for now... I'll try and get her in to my local shop this next week for some repairs and a set-up. Her saddle looks like it may be (original?) plastic, and is a bit narrow for the slot (leaning forward), so a new bone saddle that fits properly may open her up even more.
 

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That's a beauty, Dave!!!!!

I'd be intrigued to find out what she sounds like, especially in comparison to my D-50, as it's virtually identical except for the pearwood.

Cheers,
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Hey Recky...
I would love to do a side-by-side with a '70s D-50, as that's a guitar still on my wish list. Based on others comments, and comparing the pearwood D-44 with my rosewood D-55, I would expect the D-50 to be richer and warmer sounding than the D-44... but with more of the D-44s sparkle than I hear in my D-55 (the bass and mids on my D-55 are so rich, sometimes the treble gets a little lost... I have considered upping the gauge of the treble strings, to bring them out a bit more).

Interestingly, after playing her for a while, I seemed to notice that the D-44 was a bit smaller/shallower than my other dreads. So, I got out my ruler, and sure enough, she's abut 1/4" (that would be ~6mm) shallower than most of my other dreads (she measures just 4-5/8" at the tail, compared to 4-7/8" to 5" for the others). I think my D-35 is also shallower... but I sent her off to Idaho for some work, so couldn't confirm that. It is very apparent that, like my D-35, she is lightly built for a Guild... the difference in weight is obvious as soon as you pick her up... light as a feather compared to my D-46 and D-55.

How's your F-50 coming along? Sounds ike you initial impressions were quite favorable...
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GardMan said:
Hey Recky...
I would love to do a side-by-side with a '70s D-50, as that's a guitar still on my wish list. Based on others comments, and comparing the pearwood D-44 with my rosewood D-55, I would expect the D-50 to be richer and warmer sounding than the D-44... but with more of the D-44s sparkle than I hear in my D-55 (the bass and mids on my D-55 are so rich, sometimes the treble gets a little lost... I have considered upping the gauge of the treble strings, to bring them out a bit more).

Interestingly, after playing her for a while, I seemed to notice that the D-44 was a bit smaller/shallower than my other dreads. So, I got out my ruler, and sure enough, she's abut 1/4" (that would be ~6mm) shallower than most of my other dreads (she measures just 4-5/8" at the tail, compared to 4-7/8" to 5" for the others). I think my D-35 is also shallower... but I sent her off to Idaho for some work, so couldn't confirm that. It is very apparent that, like my D-35, she is lightly built for a Guild... the difference in weight is obvious as soon as you pick her up... light as a feather compared to my D-46 and D-55.

How's your F-50 coming along? Sounds ike you initial impressions were quite favorable...
Dave

Hi Dave,

interesting. Is the D-44 also smaller in its other dimensions, or just shallower? She looks SO much like my D-50 in your photos, it's unbelievable! Except for the stained back, of course. I wonder why they did that - perhaps pearwood looks a bit boring unstained???

Yes, and I would love to do a side-by-side of my D-50 and a D-55 of roughly the same period, as the D-55 is on my (long) wish list :)

I haven't had the time yet to make a new saddle for my F-50. I do like her a lot though, a guitar this size feels really good somehow, and the neck dimensions are awesome. I still can't believe the condition she's in - almost mint. I have a feeling she's going to become my main stage guitar, and I have just taken delivery of a B-Band dual transducer system. All my acoustics are equipped with the simple and unobtrusive B-Band A 1 system, this is the first time I'm going to install an under-saddle/soundboard combination - I want the best possible amplified tone.
My D-50 is still my favourite guitar tone-wise, but the huge maple body of the F-50 s something special, too. I love playing Cat Stevens songs on it...

Cheers,
Recky
 

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Recky said:
Interesting. Is the D-44 also smaller in its other dimensions, or just shallower? She looks SO much like my D-50 in your photos, it's unbelievable! Recky
Recky, the body length of my dreads is the same (20"), within measuring error. However, the lower bout of the D-44 is somewhat narrower (15-3/4") than my '74s (D-25 and G-37, @ 15-7/8") and later models ('81 D-46 and '92 D-55, @ 16" and a smidge). Upper bouts measure from 11-1/2" (D-44 and D-25), 11-5/8" (G-37), to 11-3/4" (D-46 and D-55). Don't know if these indicate design specs, or individual variations. Perhaps part of the changes from the switch from Hoboken to Westerley (http://letstalkguild.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=9331&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a)?
 

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Oh yeah, your D-44 would be from Hoboken!!! That would explain the difference. So would it be safe to assume that all dreads made in Hoboken have the exact same shape of your D-44? And thus, a slightly different sound than their Westerley counterparts?

Oh my god!!! That would make it a major effort to collect and own all the different tones that are characteristic for Guilds.

A D-50 from Hob.
A D-50 from W.
An F-50 from Hob.
An F-50 from W.
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Let's not even start on the 12ers...

:)

Recky
 

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Recky said:
Oh yeah, your D-44 would be from Hoboken!!!
Actually, I think my D-44 is an early Westerly (I am sure Hans could confirm it... but he is somewhere in the southwest US now). The SN gives it a mid- '71 finish date, and the date stamp inside indicates the top was assembled in the first quarter of that year (can't remember if it was Mar or Apr... I was only 15!). It's got the oval label with no city listed, that was used in the early Westerly years (don't know if any Hoboken guitars got that label). Looking thru Hans' book, it seems that most production had moved to Westerly by '71. But, from the thread I posted on F-112 shape changes, it appears that the forms, etc for some of the guitars (maybe even partial assemblies? I wonder if there are any two city Guilds?) moved from Hoboken to Westerly, and then were replaced in the first year or two at Westerly. So, maybe the dreads got new forms that were a little bigger at that time?

Just speculating, tho' I do know that my '72 and '78 D-35s had different builds.
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