Acoustic Pickups re-visited

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I really like the Schatten. I have one in my dobro and they are notoriously hard to amplify with out feed back, but I have had nothing but good results. Also have on in my "Collins" and really like that one as well. I think you will be pleased. :)
 

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Thanks for the heads-up on Schatten Larry. They've been a real pleasure to deal with so far. Do you have a passive, or active pickup on your dobro? One of the pickups that came today is a passive RG-03.
 
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Just another data point/opinion: I've kept Baggs Dual Sources (with the ribbon UST) on three of my guitars (including my D-40) for a dozen years. The mike and soundhole-mounted volume/blend unit give good control over sound (though I don't play at feedback-inducing volumes). Other instruments have a B-Band soundboard transducer and a Highlander coax UST (both with their matched pre-amps), and they both sound quite good, though I miss the volume control that the Baggs offer.

The problems with choosing a pickup are that 1) it's a real pain to try most of them out, 2) it's a matter of matching the technology to the particular guitar, and 3) results often depend on the installation as much as the electronics. For example, one of my guitars came with a Highlander that the previous owner liked. I hated it and replaced it with a Baggs Dual Source. My Goodall also came with a Highlander, but it sounds fine. Most of the pickup systems that will be recommended will sound terrific on some guitars--but on not all of them. And installation can be very fussy--I'm told that Highlanders, for example, are quite sensitive to how they're seated, and B-Band installs seem to require lots of messing around with location. The most you can do is listen to lots of setups and be prepared to have your tech spend some time on the installation process.
 

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I use the passive RG-03 with a LR Baggs Gigpro pre-amp as most of the time I go through the PA. Also works pretty well for me straight into my Fender twin but, I prefer the House PA when I really need to be heard. I also generally use a SM-57 in concert with the pickup and "work" the mic for leads, ect...Nothing but good things to say about this set up/ pickup! ....of course you need to watch monitor placement when in a band situation but, that goes for any pickup of that type. :)
 

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Installed the HFN Artist II in my JF-65 tonight. Had some tunes playing while working & could feel the guitar singing to me along with the music! 8)

Anyway....pretty simple installation. A good clean, polish, oiled fretboard & new set of JP PB Bluegrass & I'm ready to roll. Just plugged it into my mixer with headphones & flat EQ's. Very nice! Very even response & chimey clarity. Messed around with the Ultrasound DI Plus as well & I'm impressed so far. Tomorrow night will get it's first live rehearsal, more to follow.

BTW, I have a Martin under saddle system in my JF-30, & have had a couple different Fishman systems over the years. Initial impression is that this set-up is a cut above, but we'll see how it goes in living color.
 

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Bumping this back up. Haven't had much time with the Schatten. Had a lot of feedback live & need to tweak the input gain on the end pin preamp....which also requires removing it.

However, while placing an Allparts order today I was chatting with my rep about acoustic pickups & ended up ordering the Lace Blade acoustic pickup, as well as 2 different models of Bartolini acoustic pups. All 3 were out of stock & special ordered, so I'm afraid I wont' have them in hand for several weeks.
 

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Ok, the Bartolini pickups arrived yesterday & I gave them a brief test run in the JF-65. So far very promising! Not crazy about the mounts, but everything is modifiable. The models are the 3A, & 3AV.

The Schatten on the other hand...the gain is too high, but the control is built into the preamp jack. So in order to tweak that, I need to remove the jack, which I haven't wanted to take the time to mess with yet.
 

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Thats exactly why I try to only use "passive" type pickups. Much less hassle to dial them in! :wink: I like useing the LR Baggs Gigpro pre-amp and it seems to work well with just about anybodys passive pickup. I think you will like the Schatten fine, once you have it dialed in :)
 

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Steelpickin' said:
I think you will like the Schatten fine, once you have it dialed in :)

Man! Did the deed this afternoon. Dialed down the trim pot, shaved the saddle a tad on the JF-65 & put a new set of JP 610LM's (PB wound silks) & took it to practice tonight. Big big big big difference than my first experience in the big room. A big thumbs up on the Schatten design pickups. The bonus is this is a 2 channel preamp so I can use the HFN Artist in conjunction with another pickup. Also coming soon for this particular pickup, according to Rod, is onboard volume control.

I'll be installing the Schatten dobro pickup in a Regal tomorrow. 8)
 

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dklsplace said:
I'll be installing the Schatten dobro pickup in a Regal tomorrow.

Schatten RG-03 installed in a Regal RD-40V. To put it simply....sweet! 8)
 

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dklsplace said:
Yes, there has been a few threads on this topic....so here's another one.

I'm in the market for a couple acoustic pickups. My only experience has been with the under saddle active type (several brands) & most have been passable, some horrid. My preference is to at least have an onboard volume control.

Seems there has been a flood of new technologies in the last few years in this area, so what are your experiences & recommendations? Tell me why you prefer one over others you have tried.

Don,
Yes, this has been talked about for some time, but here are two very good pickup systems:
One is the Fishman Rare Earth Blend. No onboard volume control, but the combination of a magnetic pickup and a mic is a very good sound. It is what I use, after years of trying all of them, and settling on this system.
Two: the L.R. Baggs Imix. Combines a under the saddle transducer (Element) with the I-Beam, which goes under the bridge plate. Comes with mix controls between the two, and a master volume control.
The best thing that works is a combination of two sources. Using just one is very one dimensional.
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Lace Acoustic Blade arrived today. Preliminary testing is good. Installation is a snap & completely reversible.
 

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dklsplace said:
Lace Acoustic Blade arrived today. Preliminary testing is good. Installation is a snap & completely reversible.
Do let us know your thoughts about the blade, Don. I'm a huge fan of Lace's electric pickups but have no experience of their acoustic line. Knowing however how acoustic-like their electric pickups sound like I'm curious to not just how they read the strings but to what degree they pickup the sound-chamber effect inherent in acoustics.
 

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sitka_spruce said:
Do let us know your thoughts about the blade, Don.

A big thumbs up for the Lace Acoustic Blade. I temporarily installed in on my JF-55 & took it into the office today. At first it sounded nasally & pretty much like any other cheap-ish acoustic pickup, but I'd had my setup eq'd for the big maple guitar with the Schatten pickup. Anyway, it didn't take long to adjust eq's & tweak for a nice rich clean tone. Being a passive pickup, I tried it both in the passive input on my Trace, as well as through my Ultra Sound DI Plus. Not a huge difference, but I give the nod to using the Ultra Sound.

With a flat eq, this isn't a natural sounding pickup, but it responds very well to a good setup. And very much unlike the under saddle pickups I've used, this one isn't prone to feeding back. I had volume pretty high sitting right in front of the amp. I'm tempted to connect this to the Schatten preamp endpin & try it blended.

Now I need to test this against the Bartolinis that came in a few weeks back. The Lace is fresh in my mind & right now I would say it's better, but the Bartolinis were tested on a maple guitar, rather than rosewood. Lace definitely wins the mounting & aesthetics categories.
 

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The Lace Acoustic Blade: is it an under the saddle transducer, a magnetic pickup, or something else? Please describe.

Dennis
 

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Mine isn't exactly as shown in sitka's link. The pickup is essentially the same, but just a single wire off the treble side.
 
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