2007 + 2008 Tacoma-built Guild changes

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I spent some quality Guild time in the guitar store today. I thought I/we should take note of some (final??) changes that the Tacoma guys have have made to their Guilds in this presumably last year of production there. I'm not positive these changes are just in 2008, but I think so. [edit: looks like some of these changes were instituted in 2007 as well]

1. Strap button: taking a cue from the GAD series, the Tacoma Guilds have a strap button on the side panel, above the heel of the neck. There is a small cube of reinforcing wood into which the strap button is secured against the side. We've taken note of that before around here, but it was present on (I think) all of the Tacoma Guilds now.

2. Bridge pins: all the pins I saw had *no* abalone dot on them and looked slightly ivory colored, which looked like bone to me, or could just be plastic (I know my 2006 pins are crappy plastic)?? They looked better quality than my plastic ones, but I couldn't remove them to determine the material. In any case, it's surprising how noticeable that change of no abalone dot was to me. I don't know if the store had changed strings on the F512 I was trying (it's just few weeks old), but the pins were not at even height -- looked just a bit like a sloppy stringing job, but couldn't be sure.

3. The F512 bridge has gone back to the "pointy" styled, traditional-looking Guild bridge, which surprised me. However, it should be noted that wider slot for the compensated saddle is retained. The saddle they're using is a wavy shape, while my 2006 is more notched (I suspect they were still experimenting when they built mine). Also, I think it's bone (as I think mine is), but i'm not positive.

4. The pickguard material appears to be different, lighter/redder colored, but it still had the protective coating on it so I can't be sure. The pickguard shape on the F512 is still revealing the middle rosette ring, so it hasn't reverted to the older style which covered the middle ring.

5. I hesitate to say this, but the soundboard wood of the F512 was looking a little dowdy. It lacked the consistent color and silkiness that I've seen on other Tacoma-built Guilds (including my F512), though the D50 and D55 that I studied looked fine.

All that said, all of the Tacoma guitars sounded up-to-snuff to my ear. The D50, IMO, was my pick of the lot if I were going to grab one, but I didn't.

The real surprise, to me, was the GAD version of the JF30-12, but that's a subject for another post.
 

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Re: 2008 Tacoma-built Guild changes

Chazmo said:
I spent some quality Guild time in the guitar store today.
All that said, all of the Tacoma guitars sounded up-to-snuff to my ear. The D50, IMO, was my pick of the lot if I were going to grab one, but I didn't.

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Chaz,

There is a post going on about the differences between the D-55 and the D-50, both old and new. In that post we covered the new Tacoma built models, and I mentioned that of all of them, I liked the new D-50 the best.

I find it interesting that you went for that one as well.

Few folks realize that the D-50, D-40, and the F-30 come with red spruce tops, and all others sitka spruce. That includes the D-55, which has sitka. Why Guild went that route, not sure.

Oh, yes, I believe the F-47, and F-40 come with red spruce, as well as their cutaway counterparts (Love that word . . .).
 

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Few folks realize that the D-50, D-40, and the F-30 come with red spruce tops, and all others sitka spruce. That includes the D-55, which has sitka. Why Guild went that route, not sure.

While I own a D-40BJ and love it, my ear actually prefers sitka over adi regardless of the guitar manufacturer.

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Metalman,

Yeah, the D50 sounded great to me.

Well, I think Sitka makes wonderful tops. Most of my gits have Sitka. On the other hand, I suppose it's a depleting resource. Where does red spruce come from? I don't think I've had any tops made from that. Adirondack spruce is popular with the Taylor folks, though I think that's in limited supply too. I've played German spruce (which I think is Engelmann) as well as cedar, mahogany, and walnut... All have nice sounds. Oh, and the *smell* of cedar is ... well, I miss my cedar Taylor. :)

I don't know what kind of lumber supply the Tacoma factory has left (or continues to order) at this point. And, I really wonder what kind of wood the Hamer facility will be getting as they start to build new Guilds. Hopefully, they have someone to procure high-quality tone woods there.
 

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I just bought a new Tacoma built DV6 and it has the metal strap button by the heel of the neck and it has the abalone dots on the bridge pins.
 

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Re: 2008 Tacoma-built Guild changes

I think red spruce and Adi spruce are the same.
 

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I just bought a new Tacoma built DV6 and it has the metal strap button by the heel of the neck and it has the abalone dots on the bridge pins.

6stringhacker... Maybe this is a new thing, but maybe the DV6 is different... Do you know the date code? The ones I looked at today were from the latter half of 2008. After day 200, I think.
 

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Chazmo said:
6stringhacker said:
I just bought a new Tacoma built DV6 and it has the metal strap button by the heel of the neck and it has the abalone dots on the bridge pins.

6stringhacker... Maybe this is a new thing, but maybe the DV6 is different... Do you know the date code? The ones I looked at today were from the latter half of 2008. After day 200, I think.

Don't know about date codes,all I can see inside on the sticker that is specific to this guitar is the serial which is TK240023.
 

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So I just checked on Guilds website and according to their date coding my "new" DV6 was made in 2007. Seems rather long ago for a guitar to be built and not sold.Is this something I should be concerned about?
 

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My 2007 Tacoma D-55 came with the steel strap pin on the side of the upper bass bout with the internal reinforcement block.

The end pin was plastic. I replaced it when I installed the end pin jack for my K&K pickup.

The bridge pins were bone, but no dots of any kind, and they were differnt shades, some darker than others. I didn't like the look at all, so I replaced them with bone pins with abalone dots. (I'm like West... I don't like a lot of bling on my guitars. :wink: )

The saddle was (is) bone and has the "wavy" compensation (rather than notched) that you describe.

So it sounds like all of the features that you observed were on my 2007 Tacoma.
 

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My 2007 Tacoma D-55 came with the steel strap pin on the side of the upper bass bout with the internal reinforcement block.

The end pin was plastic. I replaced it when I installed the end pin jack for my K&K pickup.

The bridge pins were bone, but no dots of any kind, and they were differnt shades, some darker than others. I didn't like the look at all, so I replaced them with bone pins with abalone dots. (I'm like West... I don't like a lot of bling on my guitars. :wink: )

The saddle was (is) bone and has the "wavy" compensation (rather than notched) that you describe.

So it sounds like all of the features that you observed were on my 2007 Tacoma.

My 2007 F50R has the exact same appointments, although my bridge pins are very similar in color, just enough difference to let you know thery're made from a natural material, not plastic.

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6stringhacker said:
Chazmo said:
6stringhacker said:
I just bought a new Tacoma built DV6 and it has the metal strap button by the heel of the neck and it has the abalone dots on the bridge pins.

6stringhacker... Maybe this is a new thing, but maybe the DV6 is different... Do you know the date code? The ones I looked at today were from the latter half of 2008. After day 200, I think.

Don't know about date codes,all I can see inside on the sticker that is specific to this guitar is the serial which is TK240023.

TK is 2007. TL is 2008. Just FYI.
 

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So I just checked on Guilds website and according to their date coding my "new" DV6 was made in 2007. Seems rather long ago for a guitar to be built and not sold.Is this something I should be concerned about?
Sorry, I didn't see this before I posted. Yup, 2007. No, I wouldn't worry. It just means that it was built in the late fall of 2007. Sometimes Guilds hang around the store a while. Mine was on the guitar store wall for over a year before I bought it.
 

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[quote="cjd-player":1ae6q2cn]My 2007 Tacoma D-55 came with the steel strap pin on the side of the upper bass bout with the internal reinforcement block.

The end pin was plastic. I replaced it when I installed the end pin jack for my K&K pickup.

The bridge pins were bone, but no dots of any kind, and they were differnt shades, some darker than others. I didn't like the look at all, so I replaced them with bone pins with abalone dots. (I'm like West... I don't like a lot of bling on my guitars. :wink: )

The saddle was (is) bone and has the "wavy" compensation (rather than notched) that you describe.

So it sounds like all of the features that you observed were on my 2007 Tacoma.

My 2007 F50R has the exact same appointments, although my bridge pins are very similar in color, just enough difference to let you know thery're made from a natural material, not plastic.

Jeff[/quote:1ae6q2cn]

OK, I don't know when each of these features was introduced. I guess the most I can say is that I noticed them on every 2008 model in the store. Looks like they phased them in in 2007.
 

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Chazmo said:
6stringhacker said:
Sometimes Guilds hang around the store a while. Mine was on the guitar store wall for over a year before I bought it.
Not just Guilds, in 1976 I bought a new Martin D18, that, according to the serial number, was made in 1974. Best '70's Martin I ever met; sorry to see it go; I cried.

Guild D25 eases the pain a lot!
 

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Chazmo said:
6stringhacker said:
Sometimes Guilds hang around the store a while. Mine was on the guitar store wall for over a year before I bought it.
Not just Guilds, in 1976 I bought a new Martin D18, that, according to the serial number, was made in 1974. Best '70's Martin I ever met; sorry to see it go; I cried.

Guild D25 eases the pain a lot!
I agree, Mando. Sorry, I surely didn't mean to imply that Guild was alone in that. Two of the best guitars I've gotten were axes that stayed in the stores over a year and then hit the clearance rack.

The most ridiculous story I ever heard is the AW-120 which I own now... This sat in a German music store for 10 years. It basically rode through the 1980s sagged acoustic guitar market sitting on a music store wall. Yup, Ibanez made some amazing instruments when they introduced the series I Artwoods, but they were too expensive for the Europeans (even though they were cheaper than the American brands).
 

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Im not sure if this fits here - but didnt they try an ebony bridge on the D-55 and then go back to the EI Rosewood -i tried one with Ebony which kinda threw me off , the Guild sound on the guitar is traditionaly Rosewood -im not sure where their at now . The ebony just had a touch of Martin sound in it which i wasnt fond of .
 
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