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Yeah, a Chrysler V-8 muscle machine. Purists probably poo-pooed it though....not European enough. Must have been a gas guzzler. The dashboard was somethin' else. Could have been used on the Apollo missions to the moon. :cool: Check out the rear view mirror! I guess you didn't need to see who was behind you as it was unlikely anyone was goin' overtake you. One in top condition today goes for around 250k - 350k. It was built in small numbers -- movie stars mostly bought'em.
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Almost convinced my father to buy one of these, instead of replacing his Chrysler Imperial with another one. That was 1963-64. My father was an engineer, so he appreciated the design and mechanics of this smooth riding sedan. The spoiler was the lack of dealerships and maintenance support in the US at the time.

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One of the first if the not the first car to incorporate "monocoque" or unibody construction, four weel independent suspension and front wheel drive.

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Yep.
André Citroen will remain in the car History books as an "avant gardiste". Well ahead of his time.
The "Traction" pictured above, and that you must have seen before on the TV screen if you ever watched a WWII movie, was a small revolution in the car manufacturing world, as explained here: https://driving.ca/features/feature...t-was-the-blueprint-for-the-modern-family-car

Then there was the DS.... Ahhhh the DS...... It will never get old.

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Looking at all the pics on this page, only fitting to add another marvel from La Belle France.

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And another ;]

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And getting into the more obscure

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And even more obscure

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I see a lot of unfamiliar levers and stuff in the Facel-Vega, but my first reaction was that I love that they had two oil gauges. At least that's what I think I see... Presumably one for pressure and one for the reservoir. That is really a good idea!!!

The Facel-Vega would've been mistaken for me for an Aston-Martin if I didn't know better. I wonder if they cross-pollinated their designers.
 

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Probably heat control and vent levers. Dual oil gauges, if that is correct - I can't tell even with pics blown up - could be oil (PSI/BAR) pressure and engine oil temp (C/Fº), or sometimes transmission oil temp, another helpful gauge, typically in race cars, or heavy duty trucks and machines with automatic transmissions.

Oil level gauges maybe not so much, although quite a few horror stories in the past of folks driving - not usually for long - with "the oil light on" because they thought that meant "the level was low" in the pan, which if you don't have oil pressure, usually the pan is quite dry but that's not how an oil pressure gauge is supposed to work. Owner's manuals are usually pretty specific about losing oil pressure "turn the engine off", which can be awkward on the interstate...
 

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When I acquired my 1957 MGA the oil pressure gauge read zero. The PO said it had been like that forever, so we both assumed the gauge was faulty.

Fast forward about two years. While driving one night the clutch suddenly felt funny and started making unhappy noises. I nursed it home and parked it. The next day it wouldn't turn over.

We pulled the engine and removed the crankshaft in two pieces. Replaced the crank and reinstalled the motor. It spun once and locked up again. Removed again to find a spun bearing. Repaired again and decided to replace the oil pump "just in case".

This time the engine fired right up and ran smoothly, with the gauge showing normal oil pressure!

Apparently the motor had been running fine for several years with a non-working oil pump. Go figure.

Assumption is not a good step in troubleshooting engine problems. 😵
 

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In 1957 Hindustan Motors (India) introduced the Ambassador, based on the Morris Minor sedan. The Ambassador was discontinued in 2010 out of a lack of sales which were brought on by the archaic design and competition by a myriad of other models, both Indian and foreign.

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India does seem to keep old designs going for quite a while, like the Madras Bullet, the Enfield, which I've always had a soft spot for but don't like all the modern bits on it.

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The Mercedes gull wing is pretty high up on the list on iconic designs. A prototypical model that brought us the DeLorean.

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Assumption is not a good step in troubleshooting engine problems. 😵
No, it's not. In the late 80's or so my mom had the oil light come on in her car (no gauges). She was told that it was probably the sending unit. Asked a second "mechanic" who agreed it was probably the sending unit. No one checked anything. Don't recall what happened to the engine but a few weeks later she could no longer drive it because it was not the sending unit.

I wonder how hard it would have been to check and see what was making the light come on. Isn't it a pressure check, hook something up and see what it reads?
 

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The homely Consul is predecessor to this hot little number ;]

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I wonder how hard it would have been to check and see what was making the light come on. Isn't it a pressure check, hook something up and see what it reads?

Sad. So many bad mechanics.

So it works like this, the long version.

There's an oil pressure galley, a passage that typically brings oil up to the top of the engine, to the hydraulic lifters and valvetrain, and this galley is plumbed for a sending unit that goes to either an "idiot light" or an electrical gauge, or to a mechanical gauge via a tube.

Sending units can also fail by way of leaking, sometimes spectacularly although they usually give you some warning by leaking a little, then a lot. I went to go look at a 60's Ford Fairlane one time that would leak out a quart in a minute via a defective sending unit. Simple fix, replace it.

Sooo, when the idiot light is on, or a gauge reads zero, there's a very good chance it's telling the truth, but you'd probably hear something wrong with the engine as well, noisier.

The way to correctly trouble shoot this is to unthread the "sender" in Bubba parlance, it's an 1/8" pipe thread, and thread in a hand held test gauge - easy to make - start engine, and see if the sender or gauge is lying or not.

Probably checking the oil isn't a bad idea, and neither is using good quality filters on your engine. Cheap filters plug easily, and don't have a bypass, meaning, not much oil pressure once they plug with crud from neglected engines running cheap oil that causes "sludge" in the engine, which is not pretty.

There is a way, with a T, to plumb a real gauge as well as keeping the idiot light, which is nice as an early warning, but I much prefer a real gauge.

A real gauge tells you so much more. Like how high the pressure is on cold mornings, oil filters can actually explode from too much pressure. Also how low does the pressure go at idle once the engine's hot.

Low oil pressure at idle indicates worn oil, or a worn engine.

You'll instantly have better pressure with fresh oil than you did with your old oil, especially hot at idle.

Pressure is created by resistance, like putting your thumb over the end of a garden hose, that's what creates pressure, not flow.

With tight main and rod bearings, you'll have good pressure. When these wear out, lots of oil gets by them, an unacceptable amount that throws excessive amounts of oil on the cylinder walls and can cause smoking, and of course the pressure is lowered.

Typically, you'd like to see 20 psi at idle hot, 40-60psi driving down the road.

The newly rebuilt 318 in one of my trucks gets 75psi cold, quite a bit, and it's comforting to see that. Hot oil pressure is 30psi, because the engine is "tight".

Don't ever buy a "high pressure/high flow oil pump" to help an old failing engine. High pressure can lead to smoking/carbon fouling or the combustion chambers that can lead to "hot spots" that cause pre-ignition, robs power and is a great way to melt a hole in the top of a piston, and high flow just means sucking all of the oil out of the pan faster, and without a larger capacity racing oil pan, a recipe for disaster.

With racing oil pans also come "windage trays" a tin sheet between the rotating crankshaft and the 4-5 quarts in the oil pan to reduce windage, the crank's ability to create a vortex inside the crankcase that keeps the oil in suspension around crankshaft, robbing horsepower and flinging lots of oil on the cylinder walls.

This is actually how Briggs & Stratton, Kohler and other small engines lube everything, via "splash" created by a "dipper" cast in the the rod cap to dip into the oil on intake and power strokes - in four stroke engines - and fling it on everything in lieu of a "full pressure" oiling system that oils main/rod bearings via drilled crank journals, passages to the cam bearings, etc.

While Chrysler was putting Hemi head engines in cars in the 1950's, Chevy's OHV 216 straight six engines still used a "splash" lube system without an oil pump, truly archaic.
 
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Impressive. Are you saying you have or had that one, or was affiliated with it in some way?

Oh, no no no. Only in so far as when living in SoCal just up the hill from Vel's/Parnelli Jones Ford, I'd go by and drool on it when it was in the showroom.
 

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Back to Broncos, looks like it's all about posing now... you can't got out and thrash on a $40k rig, and people offering to buy one are really playing into the bs.

Witness, from my local CL;

$40 to play

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I love the smell of desperation in the morning

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" I wonder how hard it would have been to check and see what was making the light come on. "

1) Check for oil on the dip stick. If no oil, there is your problem! If there is oil...
2) Grab one of these and see what it reads..
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Under $30 bucks and every mechanic should have one in their tool box.

Less than 5 minute job. That you found two people claiming to be mechanics that didn't do this is just beyond sad.
 
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