Why are D25s all of a sudden so interesting?

[Nigel Wickwire]

D25's have always been held in high esteem around here. Is there any particular reason you believe they have "suddenly" become interesting? I think they have always been interesting but there are also too many in the market to notice every one. The discussion at LTG seems to ebb and flow based upon who has money to get one, or needs money and is selling one, but the interest has always been there.

Funny, there's a man who lived here that had a horrible stroke about a year ago, he used to be a Guild dealer. His wife asked me to sell part of his collection of Guilds, one of which was a brand new 1995 Guild D25......with registration card and owner's manual, a beautiful NT with natural finished mahogany. I posted it here for a few weeks at $700 and got no takers. She's long gone now.

West

Frono and West make excellent points. I don't think D25's are any more or less desirable than they've been in the last half dozen years or so. I think what our original poster is experiencing is "Red Car Syndrome". Once a person buys a Red car of a certain make and model, that person will often start seeing that make and model all over the place. Only in this case it might be more accurately termed, "I just got a D25, so I'm seeing them all over the place" syndrome.

Also known as Confirmation Bias:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

~nw

 

[Dubbaround]

D25's have always been held in high esteem around here. Is there any particular reason you believe they have "suddenly" become interesting? I think they have always been interesting but there are also too many in the market to notice every one. The discussion at LTG seems to ebb and flow based upon who has money to get one, or needs money and is selling one, but the interest has always been there.

Funny, there's a man who lived here that had a horrible stroke about a year ago, he used to be a Guild dealer. His wife asked me to sell part of his collection of Guilds, one of which was a brand new 1995 Guild D25......with registration card and owner's manual, a beautiful NT with natural finished mahogany. I posted it here for a few weeks at $700 and got no takers. She's long gone now.

West

Frono and West make excellent points. I don't think D25's are any more or less desirable than they've been in the last half dozen years or so. I think what our original poster is experiencing is "Red Car Syndrome". Once a person buys a Red car of a certain make and model, that person will often start seeing that make and model all over the place. Only in this case it might be more accurately termed, "I just got a D25, so I'm seeing them all over the place" syndrome.

Also known as Confirmation Bias:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

~nw

So....70 watchers of an old rat D25 on Ebay isn't rising demand, it's my preconception.

 

[Nigel Wickwire]

So....70 watchers of an old rat D25 on Ebay isn't rising demand, it's my preconception.

Maybe, Maybe not.

What are you comparing it to? Perhaps, a couple of years ago it would have been typical to see 170 watchers on an old rat D25. In which case, it would indicate flagging interest in old D25's. I just can't see any way to predicate a trend of off one data point.


Cheers,

~nw

 

[West R Lee]

So....70 watchers of an old rat D25 on Ebay isn't rising demand, it's my preconception.

Maybe, Maybe not.

What are you comparing it to? Perhaps, a couple of years ago it would have been typical to see 170 watchers on an old rat D25. In which case, it would indicate flagging interest in old D25's. I just can't see any way to predicate a trend of off one data point.


Cheers,

~nw

And through the years, that demand seems to vary. There for a while, the flat backed, mahogany topped D25's were going for a fortune. Then it was if folks lost interest. A nice D25 is still pretty valuable in my opinion, but the past few years, their value seems to fluctuate between about $400 and $900. It just depends on how many are out there, their condition and what the sentiment seems to be at the time.......but they've always been fabulous guitars.

West

 

[mbaker824]

Funny, there's a man who lived here that had a horrible stroke about a year ago, he used to be a Guild dealer. His wife asked me to sell part of his collection of Guilds, one of which was a brand new 1995 Guild D25......with registration card and owner's manual, a beautiful NT with natural finished mahogany. I posted it here for a few weeks at $700 and got no takers. She's long gone now.

West

I wasn't a member here then - I only joined after I bought my D25, which is my first Guild. If I had seen the post, I would have snapped it up.

 

[West R Lee]

Funny, there's a man who lived here that had a horrible stroke about a year ago, he used to be a Guild dealer. His wife asked me to sell part of his collection of Guilds, one of which was a brand new 1995 Guild D25......with registration card and owner's manual, a beautiful NT with natural finished mahogany. I posted it here for a few weeks at $700 and got no takers. She's long gone now.

West

I wasn't a member here then - I only joined after I bought my D25, which is my first Guild. If I had seen the post, I would have snapped it up.

Actually, on that one....you'd have had to pretty quick because the old dealer's wife got cold feet and asked for it back. She's probably still got it. She's also got a DV52....same deal....registration, maunual, never been owned, just like the D25. Heck, she's also got several limited electrics.

By the way...though I see a couple of potential issues.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-1990-GUILD- ... 4aa511b206

West

 

[Dubbaround]

If that's worth the B-I-N price, I'll sell mine for $2000 B-I-N. :mrgreen:

 

[West R Lee]

If that's worth the B-I-N price, I'll sell mine for $2000 B-I-N. :mrgreen:

Oh, I don't think it's worth the BIN, but it sure might be worth close to the opening bid price.

West

 

[Dubbaround]

This one is a 72-ish all hog flat back it looks like...has cracks on top, sides, and bottom...2 bids, @$101.oo.........and 41 people watching..
http://cgi.ebay.com/370439667386

The one I mentioned in my starting post is now up to 89 watchers. Third most watched Guild on Ebay, behind a sweet D35, and an M75 bluesbird.
http://cgi.ebay.com/400158877438

I'm telling you, the D25s are watched more than most. :mrgreen:

 

[fronobulax]

So....70 watchers of an old rat D25 on Ebay isn't rising demand, it's my preconception.

Yes, IMO. If nothing else I am watching over 20 items on eBay right now and am quite unlikely to bid on any of them which means my watching has actually no impact on the market. Personally I don't believe the number of watchers on eBay means squat. Show me a series of auctions with 10+ different bidders and I'll agree that interest is up. Also, keep in mind that while eBay is a player, it isn't the Market.

 

[fronobulax]

If that's worth the B-I-N price, I'll sell mine for $2000 B-I-N. :mrgreen:

As has often been noted, it doesn't hurt to ask, but a high asking price is no indication of market value unless there is a publicly documented sale at that price. I wouldn't be working now if I could sell my guitars and other objects at the highest asking price I have ever seen.

 

[fronobulax]

I'm telling you, the D25s are watched more than most. :mrgreen:

Most what? Try looking at early Les Pauls or Fenders and I think you will realize that the number of eBay watchers is not necessarily meaningful. But what do I know? :wink:

 

[Dubbaround]

So....70 watchers of an old rat D25 on Ebay isn't rising demand, it's my preconception.

Yes, IMO. If nothing else I am watching over 20 items on eBay right now and am quite unlikely to bid on any of them which means my watching has actually no impact on the market. Personally I don't believe the number of watchers on eBay means squat. Show me a series of auctions with 10+ different bidders and I'll agree that interest is up. Also, keep in mind that while eBay is a player, it isn't the Market.

So people routinely watch stuff they have no interest in, huh? :?

 

[Dubbaround]

I'm telling you, the D25s are watched more than most. :mrgreen:

Most what? Try looking at early Les Pauls or Fenders and I think you will realize that the number of eBay watchers is not necessarily meaningful. But what do I know? :wink:

Other guilds. Watchers on a particular thing from a particular make certainly IS indicative of where the interest lies.

 

[fronobulax]

So....70 watchers of an old rat D25 on Ebay isn't rising demand, it's my preconception.

Yes, IMO. If nothing else I am watching over 20 items on eBay right now and am quite unlikely to bid on any of them which means my watching has actually no impact on the market. Personally I don't believe the number of watchers on eBay means squat. Show me a series of auctions with 10+ different bidders and I'll agree that interest is up. Also, keep in mind that while eBay is a player, it isn't the Market.

So people routinely watch stuff they have no interest in, huh? :?

That has been my experience. If you have empirical evidence otherwise, I'd love to hear it. My observations is that less than 10% of the watchers are serious enough to bid. Anecdotal evidence suggests that people watch in preparation for making a decision to sell a similar item. I believe that more people sell because they need the money than because there is a rising surge of interest in the item and they want to cash in while the market is hot.

There very well may be a surge of interest in Guild D-25s but if the only evidence you have for that is eBay auctions and watchers then I, for the moment, anyway, will have to politely agree to disagree.

 

[Dubbaround]

OK. You win. The interest in D25s has been a dead flat line the last 20 years. All in my head. Sorry to have bothered you.

 

[fronobulax]

OK. You win. The interest in D25s has been a dead flat line the last 20 years. All in my head. Sorry to have bothered you.

Wow. I have been known to read unintended emotion into posts so I may be off base. That said, it sounds like I have p*ssed you off. That was not my intention and so I apologize. It's not about "winning". I have found a lot of folks know things that I don't and the bottom line is that I am just interested in what you know that I don't and whether I'd come to the same conclusion. But if you see this as something that I win and you lose, then I apologize.

 

[West R Lee]

If I may be so bold Frono and Little, I do understand what Dubbe is saying. To the members who have been here quite a while, we think of the D25 as somewhat of an icon. Dubb on the other hand is a newer member and hasn't been around long enough to have participated in all of those D25 discussions we've had through the years. 80 watchers or whatever is a ton of people watching a guitar, and by comparison, being what might be considered a lesser Guild, he's surprised at the interest as it might be considered unusual.

They are great guitars Dubb and it just doesn't surprise any of us, but that particular guitar did have lots of folks watching..... I agree.

West

 

[Bikerdoc]

I had been plucking around campfires on an FG335 Yamaha for a couple of decades. I still have the Yamaha. I still play it.

When my dad passed away he left me a Guild D15M and I was hooked enough to seek out other Guild affectionados, thereby stumbling across LTG. Honestly I didn't know squat about guitars, being content just to make a few folks sing along around a the fire. I didn't play very well, still don't, but I learned a great deal here at LTG. The first being that the D25 was considered a prize but I still didn't really know why that was so. But all the talk? Well, I had to have one when the opportunity presented itself. As to why so many "watch"; I would suspect that LTG has helped broaden the interest of other guitar players. And I also suspect that a good many "watchers" are already Guild enthusiasts.

Peace

 

[fungusyoung]

A couple things that do surprise me:

- How long have you been able to see how many people are "watching" a guitar on Ebay if you're not the one selling it?
- 70 people watching a D25

Here's my best guess... which might account for some of the watchers, but I don't pretend to know the market. D25's are plentiful. They were made for about 40 years, and I suspect there was a significant number more of D25's produced vs. any other Guild flat top year to year during most of that span.

So, could 1/3 or 1/2 of the "watchers" be potential future sellers trying to gauge the market given how crazy the economy has been? Not many other guitars have increased in value during the past 3 years or so, but I'd suspect D25's have. Of course, another % of those watchers are interested in buying one. There's also been quite a bit of praise about D25's that at least partially started here, but I've seen them referenced on many other boards with increased frequency during the past 3- 4 years... so I'd guess there is some "buzz" factor.