Tacoma Era Production Guilds

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Hey everyone,
I have a early 2006 Guild F-50M, Jumbo (built by Tacoma Guitars) that is quite a great instrument. Clearly light years ahead of the Fender Corona-built Guilds that were boxy sounding because the tops were cut way too thick. What can anyone tell me about my particular model from this era? How much are good examples selling for? Thanks in advance!
 

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Welcome aboard, DLF.

I doubt you'll get much consensus on any shortcomings of the Corona-built Guilds around here, but there definitely is a perceived difference in the market place.

In any case, I'm wondering what the "M" designation at the end of your F-50 model is. Is that what it says on the label? Do you know why? Is it a sunburst of some sort?

It is true that Tacoma-built Guilds were the beginning of the era of lighter-built guitars than their immediate predecessors. Many of the specs, such as your F-50, were brought back from older Guilds.

Anyway, good examples of a Tacoma F-50 would probably sell around the $2K range these days.
 

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M stands for Maple!
 

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I would agree that Tacoma brought back the specs from the older Guilds. This is a really sweet guitar.
 

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Lots of love for Tacoma era Guilds here. I know Chaz is a big fan, I see he already weighed in.
Richard just bought a Tacoma dreadnaught guitar, not Guild but I know Guild took over that plant in Washington when Fender owned it etc and the Guild brand lived there for a while. I think the GAD series actually started while Guild was US based in Tacoma, no?
 

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The one Tacoma Guild I played was a very nice F 312. At least that's what I remember. It was a great sounding 12 string, just like all the other factories made.
 

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I don't think so, DLF. The F-50 model was already known to be maple. If there's an "M" on your label then I think it might refer to the type of sunburst you have on that (rather than NT - natural top). That's an awfully pretty guitar, by the way! Congrats!
 

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The inside label says F-50. I’ve had this since it was made.
 

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I have two Tacoma-era Guilds: DV-6 and an F-47R, both in rosewood. Beautifully constructed and great sounding guitars.

Unlike other manufacturers, Guild never really had a "good" location or "bad" location or a good period or bad period - there are great guitars (and a few duds) from every location and every era.

Every location and era has its fans - the good news is there are great guitars from all of them.
 

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Sometimes you get some technical wires crossed. If it was rosewood it would say “F-50R” on the label, my bad!
 

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I have two Tacoma-era Guilds: DV-6 and an F-47R, both in rosewood. Beautifully constructed and great sounding guitars.

Unlike other manufacturers, Guild never really had a "good" location or "bad" location or a good period or bad period - there are great guitars (and a few duds) from every location and every era.

Every location and era has its fans - the good news is there are great guitars from all of them.
I would agree wholeheartedly with that observation! You have some stellar examples and some not so good sounding ones. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the F-50s were brought back into the Guild line up around the switch to the Tacoma factory?
 

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I would agree wholeheartedly with that observation! You have some stellar examples and some not so good sounding ones. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the F-50s were brought back into the Guild line up around the switch to the Tacoma factory?
HI DLF, welcome aboard. With due respect I think there are several details you need to be "brought up to speed" on.

First, your F50 wasn't built by the Tacoma Guitar Company. It was built and engineered by Guild. Tacoma was acquired by Fender in '04 and they moved Guild production up there in late '04 with first guitars coming off line in early '05.

Second, Corona made Guilds don't "sound boxy because they made the tops too thick".

Sounds like one of those internet cockroaches (impossible to kill myths and sellers) touting why his Westerly built guitar is better because it's from "before Fender bought 'em and ruined 'em." Well, half of those guitars ARE "Fender Guilds" because Fender bought 'em in November of '95 and kept Westerly running for 6 years after that. And those late Westerlys are considered by many to be some of Guild's finest.

Yeah, Coronas might have represented a return to the "built like a tank" era but their tops were, uh, "top-notch".
Ask the man who owns one. (Although my D40 did take a LONG time to open up)

Tacoma did represent a return to the lighter more resonant build philosophy but some of that was accomplished through use of adi bracing. Being stronger than sitka by weight, adi allows use of lighter/thinner braces with the same strength as a bulkier sitka one.
And thinner tops, although F50's never got Adi tops.

Lastly, the F50 model name was brought back in Corona from '02-'04, after having been called "JF65" for several years.

Sorry if I seem like I came down hard, don't want to alienate a new member, but at least you know what "the real story" is now.

Some of that stuff took years to come to light.

Soooooo.........got pics? We love pics. :)
 

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Hey, thanks for all the great input on the history of Fender Guilds at Corona, Westerly and Tacoma plants. FYI, I used to work in a music store that had a lot of 1995-1996 Guilds and 90% of these were overbuilt and very stiff sounding (for whatever reasons). They just didn’t have any magic to the ones I mostly saw and played myself in person.

I realize that Tacoma was just building them to older Guild specifications. I never said that Tacoma made them differently than Guild’s already established engineered parameters. I simply like the Tacoma produced Guilds very much, that’s all. I have been in the musical instrument industry for half a century as well as a writer for major guitar magazines for some 17 years. I always appreciate the facts anytime I may be incorrect on some various issues, etc. Believe me, that doesn’t happen too often either! Had no idea about the F50 being named with another model number simply because I didn’t see it—out of sight out of mind. Many thanks again for your input!!!!!!! Knowledgeable folks hang around these parts as I found out very quickly (which is always nothing short of great).
 

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Hey, thanks for all the great input on the history of Fender Guilds at Corona, Westerly and Tacoma plants. FYI, I used to work in a music store that had a lot of 1995-1996 Guilds and 90% of these were overbuilt and very stiff sounding (for whatever reasons). They just didn’t have any magic to the ones I mostly saw and played myself in person.
Duly noted and thanks for the explanation. Always nice to know a guy's background. I'm just a fanboy with a pretty good memory for stuff that's come up over the years, especially some of the "recurring themes" :)

Fender's acquisition wasn't actually final until November of '95. I've seen reports both ways on early '90's builds, but for sure they started lightening up from the late '70's-mid '80's seriously heavy era. I think George Gruhn's influence and the new models he introduced in '84 started that trend. Many of Gruhn's ideas were put into production by Kim Walker after he left. But it took a while for things to "filter down", I think. The narrow "snakehead" headstock is Gruhn legacy, for example.

My D25 (see my sig) is the lightest flattop I've ever owned, was a revelation. (And not that I've owned or played that many. )

I realize that Tacoma was just building them to older Guild specifications.
Corona was where they actually implemented a "Vintage defensible" design philosophy which I think was at least part of the reason they're heavier again than the late Westerlys.

Former member Jay Pilzer wrote an article for Vintage Guitar:
https://www.vintageguitar.com/21567/guild-in-the-post-fender-era/

In that article he has this to say about Tacoma:

"The move to Tacoma brought more changes to the Guild line. Some guitars changed cosmetically, with different binding or rosettes. The most significant was the switch from Sitka to Adirondack (a.k.a. “red”) spruce for the tops of F-30, F-40, D-40, and D-50 guitars. Adirondack spruce is a premium wood and makes a significant tonal difference in guitars (pre-World-War-II “golden era” flat-tops from Martin and Gibson had Adirondack spruce tops). These changes were made while Donny Wade was the marketing director for Guild.

This was clearly not an effort to copy what had been done in the past. Rather, designers and builders were trying to create an instrument that, while still sounding and looking like a Guild, was something that had never existed – a pre-WWII Guild.

Top bracing was changed yet again with the pattern, size, and radius of the braces being reworked, while the dovetail neck joint was modified to improve neck pitch and stability. Shortly after moving to Tacoma, the factory started to make its own bracing and other parts that had been made in Mexico during the Corona era.

I never said that Tacoma made them differently than Guild’s already established engineered parameters. I simply like the Tacoma produced Guilds very much, that’s all.
Oh I didn't get that at all, but in fact Tacoma did do some tweaking as shown, and they have a rep for being light resonant builds like '60's-early '70's Guilds.

They also introduced a lot of innovations besides the adi tops and bracing, such as a dual action truss rod, a single truss rod with flanking graphite stabilizing rods for 12-string necks, (a truly radical change from Guild's famous and exclusive dual rods in 12-er necks) and a completely new bolt-on neck system for a new line called the Contemporary series.

Tacoma was a veritable hotbed of innovation in their short time, all driven by Guild designers being given their freedom by Fender.
So your love of 'em has a real basis. ;)

Many thanks again for your input!!!!!!! Knowledgeable folks hang around these parts as I found out very quickly (which is always nothing short of great).
You're so welcome!

And thanks for the pics! We love pics. :)
 

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Wow, this is quite a fabulous experience being able to hang around with you guys here! Great info in a very short time. My F-50 is absolutely mint condition as I’ve used it mainly for studio recording. My other big acoustic guitar is a Gibson Super 400 CES from 1969. But, as you can imagine, it’s for straight up Bebop. The F-50 is quite hefty to hold with that depth. Been thinking of getting something smaller as I had back surgery a couple of years ago and the case is even bigger than the Super 400 (so that weighs a ton)! Not 19 anymore.
 

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Welcome to LTG! Here is the 2006 catalog page:

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January 1, 2005 price list (same pricing like January 1, 2007 price list.)

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Ralf
 

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Hey, thanks for all the great input on the history of Fender Guilds at Corona, Westerly and Tacoma plants.....
Welcome to the forum, DLF! Yes, as mentioned, your prior perception of Corona Guilds was a bit off, as exemplified by my spectacular JF30-12. I'm told its top should be AA but it certainly looks like AAA to me. And its burst actually looks a lot like your F50! Like yours, it's in mint condition. I also have a mint F50R built in New Hartford, which many (at least some!) consider the best of Guild (although none of Guild's changing plants is really hugely different from any other).

Corona's JF30-12
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Cougar shows off his Guild 12er several times a year, to make a point...and a damn good one.
And each time I am like, WOW, that 12 string looks incredible! When did Cougar get that???

lol
 
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