Graham
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fronobulax said:
This the snow pics thread. You're looking for another veer. :wink:
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This the snow pics thread. You're looking for another veer. :wink:
fronobulax
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Graham said:
But I thought the snow in Brazil influenced the growth patterns and so we could use the grain patterns to distinguish between trees that grew under Brazilian snow and those that were exposed to Indian snow. (Which is not like Indian Summer).
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Or we could discuss snowball warming :mrgreen:
Frosty
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fronobulax,
I don't mean to assign motivations and I sincerely apologize if I came across that way. No one can be 100% certain about another person's motives. I was intending to react to the shots at "the messenger" as an attempt to invalidate "the message". I agree with you, the issue is not widely settled so I assert it needs more understanding before dismissed out of hand.
However, the issue that is settled for me is that it would be a relative fiscal triviality for us (USA) to be a leader in this space. Maybe the source of global warming is "not our fault"... maybe it is "our fault", meaning humankind. It's relatively cheap insurance to figure that out!
I don't mean to assign motivations and I sincerely apologize if I came across that way. No one can be 100% certain about another person's motives. I was intending to react to the shots at "the messenger" as an attempt to invalidate "the message". I agree with you, the issue is not widely settled so I assert it needs more understanding before dismissed out of hand.
However, the issue that is settled for me is that it would be a relative fiscal triviality for us (USA) to be a leader in this space. Maybe the source of global warming is "not our fault"... maybe it is "our fault", meaning humankind. It's relatively cheap insurance to figure that out!
cjd-player
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JerryR said:
I had fried ice cream once in a restaurant. Is that the same thing??? :?
HoboKen
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Don't call any more folks! We already have a winner......somewhere among all this heavy talk. Yea, we had one once....but the baby chewed the wheels off of it. Off of what? The Rolls of course! You have a Rolls? Yes, a Rolls Kanardly to be exact. Is that the convertable model? No, it just rolls down one hill, "kan harldly" make it up the next with the price of gas today. You have gas? Only when I eat onions and drink beer. You have beer? Yes, it's what's for dinner! Your going to drink your dinner? Why not, spiders do! I have a spider bridge on my Dobro and to think I never knew it needed nurishment. You have dough bro? Yes, it comes in handy to buy guitar strings. For the Dobro? No, for the Guild this time. You have a Guild that tells time? No, but I keep time with the bass "E" string in a drop-"D" tuning on the Guild. When you dropped the "D" did it hurt? It must have. The Guild just droned on and on about it when I played the blues. Do you mean the color or the feeling? I play with feeling I'm sure....that's why my fingers hurt. Hummm.....if people play the blues, are frogs playing the "greens" when they croak? I don't know, it's too late to ask one if he has already croaked. I think you are just stringing me along here. Could be, that's why I bought them. Bought what? The strings of course! This is all to much for my mind, I think I'll just quit while I'm ahead. No, no, don't do that! Keep going until you have the whole body to go along with the head. I give up. I guess if you get strung along for a long enough time about gas, you will loose your head about it and nothing will mind. Don't call any more folks.....politically.....we alrady have a winner!
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Graham
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West R Lee
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:shock: :? Who can argue with that Hoboken? :wink:
West
West
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Hoboken, I think all these Steeler losses are messing with your mind. Lighten up, man. its only football... a game where young kids get paid millions of dollars to perform poorly. Not a touch of reality there.
Pull yourself together. Chill out. The black and gold are liable to lay another egg tomorrow night.
Pull yourself together. Chill out. The black and gold are liable to lay another egg tomorrow night.
West R Lee
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Intersting article published yesterday by the United States Senate .
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm? ... 63dc2d02cb
West
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm? ... 63dc2d02cb
West
Scratch
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West R Lee said:
West... I couldn't find this release on CNN...
8)West R Lee
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:lol: I think the only place you might find something like this Ken would be on a News Program that was "Fair and Balanced". Nope, not a word on CNN or CBS or NBC or ABC. Hmmm, you think there might be some bias in "Network News"? United Press did manage to casually mention it in a couple of paragraphs.
I need to bite my tongue, I did say I wouldn't discuss this, but since it had just come out, I thought it was appropriate. The folks (Senate Environment and Public Works Comittee) that published this might have some political bias, but I doubt that 400 scientists and their colleagues would. And they do offer a tremendous amount of basis for their findings.
West
I need to bite my tongue, I did say I wouldn't discuss this, but since it had just come out, I thought it was appropriate. The folks (Senate Environment and Public Works Comittee) that published this might have some political bias, but I doubt that 400 scientists and their colleagues would. And they do offer a tremendous amount of basis for their findings.
West
cjd-player
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Nice find, West.
“Many of my colleagues with whom I spoke share these views and report on their inability to publish their skepticism in the scientific or public media,” Paldor wrote.
That was my point early on in this thead. Only pollitically correct conclusions (often from bad science) are dumped on the unuspecting masses :evil: , which makes intelligent, open-minded debate and research difficult. Its not just with global warming. Other environmentally or religiously "sensitive" issues are also given politicized "scientific" conclusions.
Hope YOU have a great Christmas.
“Many of my colleagues with whom I spoke share these views and report on their inability to publish their skepticism in the scientific or public media,” Paldor wrote.
That was my point early on in this thead. Only pollitically correct conclusions (often from bad science) are dumped on the unuspecting masses :evil: , which makes intelligent, open-minded debate and research difficult. Its not just with global warming. Other environmentally or religiously "sensitive" issues are also given politicized "scientific" conclusions.
Hope YOU have a great Christmas.
West R Lee
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And you know, the left used to tout themselves as a philosophy of tolenance, yet they have become the point of view with complete intolerance. Their ability to squelch opposing viewpoints has really become uncanny. Newsworthy events which don't fit their agenda constantly go unreported and the general public is left ignorant of these events.
The ability to take Christ out of Christmas has just blown me away. My gosh, what an efficient machine. In United States, our President takes an oath on the Bible, witnesses in a court of law swear on a Bible, "In God We Trust" is written on every piece of currency, yet the left insists on taking Christianity out of government, schools, any public building. They'll have to remodel the Supreme Court building, as it has Biblical verses inscribed on the wall, not to mention the "Ten Commandments". Like it or not, our country was founded on Christianity!
They do it with the rationale of "political correctness". We wouldn't want to offend a single person! Yet in their fervor, they have forgotten the majority. I've about had "political correctness" up to my ears.
Merry CHRISTmas,
West
The ability to take Christ out of Christmas has just blown me away. My gosh, what an efficient machine. In United States, our President takes an oath on the Bible, witnesses in a court of law swear on a Bible, "In God We Trust" is written on every piece of currency, yet the left insists on taking Christianity out of government, schools, any public building. They'll have to remodel the Supreme Court building, as it has Biblical verses inscribed on the wall, not to mention the "Ten Commandments". Like it or not, our country was founded on Christianity!
They do it with the rationale of "political correctness". We wouldn't want to offend a single person! Yet in their fervor, they have forgotten the majority. I've about had "political correctness" up to my ears.
Merry CHRISTmas,
West
Scratch
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West R Lee said:
Amen bro...
john_kidder
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Oh you guys, I said "over and out". But I can't just shut up now.
Liberals have never claimed tolerance as a defining virtue. We're just as dogmatic as conservatives.
Liberal philosophy is not about tolerance, it's about freedom. Liberals believe that individuals should have the freedom to make the choices that affect their lives. By definition, then, they're humanists. And so they're mostly secular. If individuals are to have freedom, the state can have no part in proscribing or prescribing religious beliefs - none at all. One's belief is a choice, not a command. The framers of your Constitution were liberals of the first order. They resisted the very suggestion that personal choices of religious belief should have anything to do with right action in politics - government was to be about facts and argument and rationality and democracy, not about belief.
Liberalism is all about science trumping myth as a basis for making decisions about public policy, every single time out of the chute. There is a requirement to try always to act in the interests of human freedom. And the data on climate change says, simply and unequivocally, that human actions are causing changes in our environment that are going to dramatically constrain a whole lot of freedoms. So liberals must act. There's no requirement to be tolerant.
Sorry if I sound intolerant, but it's time to lead, follow, or get out of the way. This one is moving on, around the world, with or without any one of us.
Playing Christmas carols on my guitars tonight - how sweet those old tunes sound, and how enobling the sentiments. Peace on earth, and goodwill towards men.
Cheers, all.
Liberals have never claimed tolerance as a defining virtue. We're just as dogmatic as conservatives.
Liberal philosophy is not about tolerance, it's about freedom. Liberals believe that individuals should have the freedom to make the choices that affect their lives. By definition, then, they're humanists. And so they're mostly secular. If individuals are to have freedom, the state can have no part in proscribing or prescribing religious beliefs - none at all. One's belief is a choice, not a command. The framers of your Constitution were liberals of the first order. They resisted the very suggestion that personal choices of religious belief should have anything to do with right action in politics - government was to be about facts and argument and rationality and democracy, not about belief.
Liberalism is all about science trumping myth as a basis for making decisions about public policy, every single time out of the chute. There is a requirement to try always to act in the interests of human freedom. And the data on climate change says, simply and unequivocally, that human actions are causing changes in our environment that are going to dramatically constrain a whole lot of freedoms. So liberals must act. There's no requirement to be tolerant.
Sorry if I sound intolerant, but it's time to lead, follow, or get out of the way. This one is moving on, around the world, with or without any one of us.
Playing Christmas carols on my guitars tonight - how sweet those old tunes sound, and how enobling the sentiments. Peace on earth, and goodwill towards men.
Cheers, all.
West R Lee
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:lol: I was wondering how long it would take you to respond John.
I'm going to offer a conservative point of view and hope you are tolerant enough to try to understand . I know you are. :wink: BTW, I'm glad you showed up.
The United States is a republic. It says so in our "Pledge of Allegiance". We've been referred to as a democracy all of my life, but I take issue with that. As I'm sure you know, a republic is a system in which the majority of the people vote in order to elect people who will vote to represent their views. The problem is that when liberals are on their quest to invoke "personal freedom", they step on the toes of the majority in many cases, not to mention the best interest of the country. Case in point is "affirmative action"....and absolute joke and a farse. Many times, "personal freedom" is not in the best interest of the majority. They (liberals) regularly use the court system ( and lawyers from the ACLU) to acheive their agenda as it has been laden with liberal judges for many years. Fortunately for the majority, the number of liberal federal court judges has diminished, especially on the highest court in the land (Thank God). In fact, that is precisely why I voted for George Bush, knowing full well that he would appoint conservative judges. I hope he gets the opportunity to appoint many more.
Sometimes, I wish in the United States, we could simply vote our wishes on a computer in regards to each important issue at hand. In my view, and I think that of the majority, there would continue to be prayer in schools, Christmas would continue to be universally recognized as the birth of Christ, government would finally stop the flow of illegal immigration into the country, and the list goes on endlessly.
The term "Humanism" is a term that I have often used to refer to pagan beliefs, and this country was not founded on the principal of paganism, but on Christian values. A "Humanist" to me is a person who believes that they are here in this little world, with their surroundings, and that is all that matters. So sad it must be to believe that here and now is all there is, or will ever be. The freqeuntly used phrase, "seperation of church and state" was never intended to banish Christianity from government, rather to prevent government from dictating which Church would best suite our needs, and that's a fact, one that liberals would never own up to, but a fact nevertheless. Remember that the framers of our Constitution were attempting, to the best of their ability, prevent another anarchy, similar to that which they previously faced in their struggle with the Church of England, the then universal church.
Those ol' boys that penned the Constitution, well they had it right the first time, it is timeless and still applies. Now if you want my definition of "consevative".......one who accepts the Constitution in it's origional form, and never tries to misinterpret or rewrite it. Some pretty brilliant men authored that document.
I enjoy the exchange of views between us, and respect your opinion as always. I think it's obvious that you and I will never agree, but I do welcome the open discussion and exhange, and am always eager to hear your point of view.
No more than $400 for the D60 I'd say John, beyond that, the repair work will kill ya. Nice guitar though, if salvageable.
Merry Christmas to you my good friend, I do enjoy your company,
West
I'm going to offer a conservative point of view and hope you are tolerant enough to try to understand
. I know you are. :wink: BTW, I'm glad you showed up.The United States is a republic. It says so in our "Pledge of Allegiance". We've been referred to as a democracy all of my life, but I take issue with that. As I'm sure you know, a republic is a system in which the majority of the people vote in order to elect people who will vote to represent their views. The problem is that when liberals are on their quest to invoke "personal freedom", they step on the toes of the majority in many cases, not to mention the best interest of the country. Case in point is "affirmative action"....and absolute joke and a farse. Many times, "personal freedom" is not in the best interest of the majority. They (liberals) regularly use the court system ( and lawyers from the ACLU) to acheive their agenda as it has been laden with liberal judges for many years. Fortunately for the majority, the number of liberal federal court judges has diminished, especially on the highest court in the land (Thank God). In fact, that is precisely why I voted for George Bush, knowing full well that he would appoint conservative judges. I hope he gets the opportunity to appoint many more.
Sometimes, I wish in the United States, we could simply vote our wishes on a computer in regards to each important issue at hand. In my view, and I think that of the majority, there would continue to be prayer in schools, Christmas would continue to be universally recognized as the birth of Christ, government would finally stop the flow of illegal immigration into the country, and the list goes on endlessly.
The term "Humanism" is a term that I have often used to refer to pagan beliefs, and this country was not founded on the principal of paganism, but on Christian values. A "Humanist" to me is a person who believes that they are here in this little world, with their surroundings, and that is all that matters. So sad it must be to believe that here and now is all there is, or will ever be. The freqeuntly used phrase, "seperation of church and state" was never intended to banish Christianity from government, rather to prevent government from dictating which Church would best suite our needs, and that's a fact, one that liberals would never own up to, but a fact nevertheless. Remember that the framers of our Constitution were attempting, to the best of their ability, prevent another anarchy, similar to that which they previously faced in their struggle with the Church of England, the then universal church.
Those ol' boys that penned the Constitution, well they had it right the first time, it is timeless and still applies. Now if you want my definition of "consevative".......one who accepts the Constitution in it's origional form, and never tries to misinterpret or rewrite it. Some pretty brilliant men authored that document.
I enjoy the exchange of views between us, and respect your opinion as always. I think it's obvious that you and I will never agree, but I do welcome the open discussion and exhange, and am always eager to hear your point of view.
No more than $400 for the D60 I'd say John, beyond that, the repair work will kill ya. Nice guitar though, if salvageable.
Merry Christmas to you my good friend, I do enjoy your company,
West
john_kidder
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West R Lee said:
The framers weren't trying to prevent anarchy (though they wouldn't have liked the idea). They were trying to prevent tyranny. Their forefathers had fled, 130 years earlier (my ancient grandfather James Kidder among them), from a state which said that one man and one religion should dominate all - they founded a republic without a king, without a state religion, because they were products of the Enlightenment - liberal humanists to a man, they were. They would have preferred anarchy to tyranny any day.
john_kidder
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And what on earth are you doing up at this time of the morning? Isn't it 4:30 am in Texas?