Snow Pics

[Jeff]

Didn't you mean Shirly ??? :wink:

I wish I had my camera with me, I really need to make more of an effort doing that,

There's a lot of peace there. Or is it pice? :shock:

It's "Pece", criminy :!:

 

[Graham]

Didn't you mean Shirly ??? :wink:

I wish I had my camera with me, I really need to make more of an effort doing that,

There's a lot of peace there. Or is it pice? :shock:

It's "Pece", criminy :!:

Didn't Lennon say "Visualize whirled peas?" Or was it Lenin?

 

[fronobulax]

I live in an elevated area and can go to some hill tops nearby for some great sunsets and sunrises; not that I ever get up early enough to see one.. but I've heard of them.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[capnjuan]

Now I will shut up and stick to guitars and amps on this board. There, our individual subjective opinions are what we deal in. When we talk about the future of our species and others, it's better to listen to them that knows.

Hi John;...I'm listening ... just not too sure what I or any of us can do individually. I mean it's not like we can just tell the Chinese to clean up their stack emissions when, whatever is already up there, got there via US / Soviet / East German dirty stacks. Hard to go to the Indians and tell them that all those (sacred) cows walking around are harming the atmosphere ... not to mention the millions of cows in US / Argentine / Canadian feed lots waiting to become tomorrow's Big Macs. I guess I'm saying that, assuming the gravity of the problem, changing to JP strings isn't going to do much. At least where I live, there is no political option on the ballot and, thanks mostly to the 2-party US system, there won't be for some time. For me, it's not whether you, Al, or the scientific community is right; assuming you and they are right, what is/are meaningful individual choices or options? John

 

[Mr_LV-19E]

Average Arctic temperatures have increased at almost twice the global average rate in
the past 100 years. Land regions have warmed faster than the oceans (Figures 1.2 and 2.5).

I knew it, it's the Eskimo's fault. They been trouble makers from the beginning.

 

[Mr_LV-19E]

I think that the world may or may not be experiencing a warming trend. It may be a natural cyclical occurance, and it may be man made. Regardless, I strongly believe that the threat of increasing temperatures pales in comparison to the real threats that face mankind.

West

Amen

 

[Frosty]

The world is troubled and humanity is at risk. Somehow we are now talking about either/or and the relative "seriousness" of the problems we face. My opinion is that we (USA) are an affluent country and, should our leaders so desire, have the opportunity to lead on several fronts. My initial post on this thread topic was meant more along those lines. Why waste time laughing at stiff old Al Gore, a messenger, when we could get something meaningful done?

 

[Mr_LV-19E]

All joking aside, I don't see how we as individuals have any control over global warming. Yes on a very atomic level we cannot be energy wasters, but in the global picture we peons cannot alter reality. In some ways it is caused by greed. I know, everything revolves around money, but think about it. We as Americans ship all our jobs overseas to produce items for less money so a few can profit greatly. Then we import all those items back so we can survive. We in America have strict environmental controls, but they don't. What about all the ships bringing the goods back to America for us to consume, do you think they are not emitting greenhouse gasses? Do you think that all the ships that travel the oceans dumping their waste have no effect on ocean temperatures? I know these are just small things but I'm willing to bet that I as an individual am never going to create as big of an effect as a single factory overseas or a single ship traversing the ocean or even a single aircraft. After all, the Airlines depend on all the businessmen flying back and forth overseas to tend to their companies. Don't get me wrong I don't have anything against import and export it just seems like in America it's a little lopsided.
What about all the people that have lost their jobs because of these practices. Do you think they are concerned about global warming? I think they are more concerned about warming their homes, if they even have a home anymore.
I truly believe that once we have used up all are resources to develop all the so called third world countries we will become one ourselves.
Not to mention the fact that our planet in its millions of years of existence has gone through many changes and will continue to do so long after life as we know it ceases to exist.

Sorry to rant, just didn't want to be accused of not taking things seriously.

 

[Scratch]

Sun Tzu penned 'The Art of War' somewhere around 400 BC. His work is considered yet today as the most insightful commentary on how to achieve military victory. It is considered the foundation upon which the military services base military strategy. Perhaps the most important point of his philosophy is that to win; the commander must know everything possible about the enemy. I fear if the dems win next year, global warming will elevate itself as the most important issue of our time and will in fact be considered the most significant threat to mankind. We can expect government funding and effort commensurate with their views of the threat.

Your comments and concerns are real, West. How soon we forget...

 

[The Guilds of Grot]

Seems like there's a lot of conservatives here.

I hear it comes with geezerdom.

Interesting, (or maybe not) side note. We in the Greenhouse industry hate the use of the term "greenhouse gases" and our main association, the NGMA is lobbying to get it changed. It really has nothing to do with Greenhouses. Stupid media!

This thread sure veered and gained momentum like a snowball rolling down hill. Oh the irony! :wink:

 

[Mr_LV-19E]

Sorry, this thread was about "Snow Pic's" :?:
I have more than I need. I'd be willing to ship some to you less fortunate souls. COD of course. :mrgreen:

 

[Graham]

I agree with a lot of what Roger wrote and I too feel somewhat helpless in the global battle. I do my part with energy efficient lights throughout the home, turn the furnace down lower, etc.

I'm just very much a cynic when things grow legs like this issue and people are all over the place in their opinions and their "proof" and their insistence that we must do "this" now!

This will be fought back and forth in the scientific community for decades yet, the causes, the effects, the remedies, and so on.

When you get a "leader" such as Al Gore flogging it, basking in the limelight, taking it around the world and then hear that his private home consumes more energy than 20x the national average, hmm, do as I say not as I do. I don't hold him any grudge for being able to afford the home or even use it in ways to consume that amount of energy, but when that is revealed and then the statement the he has purchased carbon credits to offset the useage, that bothers me very much.

It's OK to use that much as long as you pay someone else to make it better elsewhere or to clear your conscience?

I still believe there is a large contingent of powerful people trying their best and doing their damnedest to convince us to give them our money with their "promise" to fix it.

I don't know much about it but on the surface it sounds like Haliburton going into the Middle East on contracts to fix what "we" have destroyed, at a profit of course. :wink:

 

[Graham]

Sorry, this thread was about "Snow Pic's" :?:
I have more than I need. I'd be willing to ship some to you less fortunate souls. COD of course. :mrgreen:

S'OK to veer Roger, in fact it's expected of the regulars. :mrgreen:

 

[Mr_LV-19E]

Graham, I was just thinking I shouldn't be putting myself in the spotlight as I feel a little naked without a Guild now. Maybe I should just hunker down in a corner and cover myself with a towel. Don't want to get the Boot
Shirley that wouldn't happen?

 

[Graham]

Graham, I was just thinking I shouldn't be putting myself in the spotlight as I feel a little naked without a Guild now. Maybe I should just hunker down in a corner and cover myself with a towel. Don't want to get the Boot
Shirley that wouldn't happen?

No worries Roger. We here at LTG don't use spotlights anymore, what with the environmental issues and all. :wink:

But I do recommend the towel. :shock:

 

[Frosty]

Friends - IMO, the "I'm only one little person" rationale is an excuse and, sorry, a cop out. (Does anybody use that phrase anymore, "cop out"?) Theoretically, we elect leaders to align resources to accomplish goals that benefit the citizenship. If our (USA) country can deficit spend $2 billion every week in Iraq (where is does not snow, keeping on topic), how relatively trivial would funding for an environment policy be?

So, money aside... A national initiative to address an environment condition might mean a lifestyle change in the US and some discomfort or inconvenience to us today. And, yeah, I can see why folks would not like that. I can see why someone might try to discredit the idea of global warming because, well, it's too close to home.

 

[Mr_LV-19E]

Edited to stay on topic.

Theoretically, we elect leaders to align resources to accomplish goals that benefit the citizenship.

Sadly that has been proven to not work. More sadly it has been proven that we the people do not elect the leaders. And even more sadly the percentage of people that vote is small.
To be clear, I am a voter. I go through the motions but experiance has taught me not to expect results. I'm used to getting the snow job.

 

[Graham]

Apathy should be a Political Party. Very popular here and Canukistan too.

 

[Scratch]

I think what's being said is that if the influential few can lead by showing their sincerity, maybe we'd pay more attention. Hollywood types, sports 'heros' etc., seem to think they're the experts and above it all. Hell; 90% of them don't have a college education or even a clue about what its like to go to work each day to make ends meet, but they're more than willing to influence the masses if they can get the air time.

Not saying we all don't have an impact on the environment; of course we do. But history reveals the earth was also profoundly influenced during recurring ice ages and warming trends or the planet wouldn't be as it is today. Big Al and his cronies are in this for personal benefit. I can't take anyone serious who thinks he invented the Internet...

When the elite loudmouths start contributing large sums of their fortunes to mankind's benefit and start downsizing their mansions and elaborate lifestyles, I'll take them more seriously.

 

[fronobulax]

I can see why someone might try to discredit the idea of global warming because, well, it's too close to home.

One of us has a rather closed mind if questioning "global warming" is presumed to be "discrediting" it and if doing so is the result of an agenda.

It's probably me with the closed mind, but I would certainly appreciate it if, in the future, until this thread veers somewhere else, you and others with similar opinions would acknowledge that while the issue may be settled for you, it is not settled for everyone else. Furthermore it would be helpful to not assign motivations to those who appear to disagree with you.

Thank you.

And now we return to our regularly scheduled program on the identification of Brazilian rosewood.