Size of the Truss Rod Nut 1971 Starfire, 1965 T100D
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The Guilds of Grot
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I believe they are normally 1/4". Surprised to hear it isn't. Let us know if you figure it out.
(Sorry, I am of no help!)
(Sorry, I am of no help!)
Guildedagain
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You need a 1/4" nutdriver, not a wrench, or socket on 1/4" drive handle.
If your nut has been rounded off, it needs to be repaired or replaced.
If your nut has been rounded off, it needs to be repaired or replaced.
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Yeah. I would expect it to be 1/4" and the tool Guild sold in the 70's was a branded 1/4" nutdriver.
Guildedagain
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I wish I could find one.
From the owner's manual of some days gone by - owner's manual are fantastic reads actually - "insert a 1/4 inch nut driver (Guild NKWREN neck wrench or equivalent). The guitar should remain tuned to pitch during this procedure.
A later manual says "insert truss rod adjustment wrench p/n 350-9521-000 or equivalent".
Neither of these can be found, you'd be lucky to find a picture actually.
Stewmac has brand new truss rod nut by the 6pk for Gibsons, very similar nut, I imagine they have the right ones for Guilds.
From the owner's manual of some days gone by - owner's manual are fantastic reads actually - "insert a 1/4 inch nut driver (Guild NKWREN neck wrench or equivalent). The guitar should remain tuned to pitch during this procedure.
A later manual says "insert truss rod adjustment wrench p/n 350-9521-000 or equivalent".
Neither of these can be found, you'd be lucky to find a picture actually.
Stewmac has brand new truss rod nut by the 6pk for Gibsons, very similar nut, I imagine they have the right ones for Guilds.
here are a few pictures of my truss rod tools......one too small, the other too big
If the screw were worn out, the small one would have to be too big too
I don't think the wall of the nut is too thick....?
If the screw were worn out, the small one would have to be too big too
I don't think the wall of the nut is too thick....?
Guildedagain
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Nothing wrong with your nut. Just wrenches that don't fit. Head out to the garage and find a 1/4" drive 1/4" socket and drive handle, or to the auto parts store, hardware store. Very common tool. Fits most all hose clamps.
Guildedagain
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Here's a really nice one, cheap.
Klein Tools 1/4 in. Nut Driver and 6 in. Hollow Shaft with Cushion Grip Handle 646-1/4 - The Home Depot
Get to those deeply recessed nuts and bolts with Klein's hollow shank nut driver. The full hollow 6 in. (152 mm) shaft fits over extra-long bolts and studs for most applications including stacked circuit
www.homedepot.com
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SFIV1967
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I just checked my Starfire IV nut.
6.35mm which is a perfect 1/4". I use a Taylor guitars 1/4 tool which fits perfectly.
Your 0.251" tool should perfectly fit as well as that is 1/4"...Strange if it seems to be too small?
Ralf
6.35mm which is a perfect 1/4". I use a Taylor guitars 1/4 tool which fits perfectly.
Your 0.251" tool should perfectly fit as well as that is 1/4"...Strange if it seems to be too small?
Ralf
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double check that the spanner you measured as .25 ,is measured flat to fat and not point to point.
if that's the mistake,don't feel bad, the british used to measure how long the flat was
1/4"american size (SAE) should fit
if that's the mistake,don't feel bad, the british used to measure how long the flat was
1/4"american size (SAE) should fit
double check that the spanner you measured as .25 ,is measured flat to fat and not point to point.
if that's the mistake,don't feel bad, the british used to measure how long the flat was
1/4"american size (SAE) should fit
Hi,
I measured the flat areas, not the cornersgeoguy
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Vibroverb's 1/4-inch socket pictured above, is too long & too thick.
(there might be a "that's what she said" joke in there, somewhere . . . maybe one of you can find it)
(there might be a "that's what she said" joke in there, somewhere . . . maybe one of you can find it)
Try the 1/4" at different positions. If handle is at 12:00 and does not work, try 10:00 or 2:00 or 4:00 (Dr. Pepper). And giggle it at each position. A bad tool or a metal burr somewhere.
Guildedagain
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From the owner's manual;
"Insert a 1/4 inch nut driver (Guild NKWREN neck wrench or equivalent). The guitar should remain tuned to pitch during this procedure."
I always go counterclockwise first and make sure nut is free before going in clockwise direction, a drop of machine oil on old dry threads doesn't hurt either. The bigger the strings the harder you have to turn the nut, and there is a snapping point as many have found out.
If as tight as you can get it by hand isn't enough (with nut driver, roughly 1/2 turn from seated is about maxed out), I usually go for a smaller string size.
If you own a good heavy 24" rule, great for checking neck angles, check your neck for bow/relief, you might find on older guitars and basses that the neck is permanently bowed some, and will have too much dip without any strings on the neck, and with truss rod maxed out.
"Insert a 1/4 inch nut driver (Guild NKWREN neck wrench or equivalent). The guitar should remain tuned to pitch during this procedure."
I always go counterclockwise first and make sure nut is free before going in clockwise direction, a drop of machine oil on old dry threads doesn't hurt either. The bigger the strings the harder you have to turn the nut, and there is a snapping point as many have found out.
If as tight as you can get it by hand isn't enough (with nut driver, roughly 1/2 turn from seated is about maxed out), I usually go for a smaller string size.
If you own a good heavy 24" rule, great for checking neck angles, check your neck for bow/relief, you might find on older guitars and basses that the neck is permanently bowed some, and will have too much dip without any strings on the neck, and with truss rod maxed out.
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Maybe....I just ordered another 1/4" wrench, hope this one works
I try this already....no chance
Maybe the new one works
SFIV1967
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I'd like to disagree with both but also have no other explanation. Length should be no problem at all on a Starfire.
@vibroverb: Were you able measuring the nut itself? (well it might be impossible to measure the nut when mounted, not sure). But on my 1967 Starfire IV the size "F" is exactly 6.35mm (0.250") which is a perfect 1/4".
Ralf