Pilot: standard vs Advanced

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Aside from that beautiful fretboard, how does the Advanced compare to the run-of-the-mill Pilot? How do the Bartolinis sound compared with the EMGs or DiMarzios? It looks from price lists that Guild offered them from 1988 to 1990 - is that correct?
 

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The solid maple is much heavier then the painted poplar Pilots.

As for how the pick-ups sound, sorry I have no idea as I'm pretty much tone deaf. I just plug stuff in and play them. I have little concern as to how they sound.
 
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Well, I guess I'll just see when my Advanced arrives next week. My '87 602 with a maple body is so much fun, I couldn't resist snatching up another. I didn't care for the stock EMGs, so I replaced them with DiMarzios, but I'm curious to hear the Barts. Hopefully the 902 will be as lightweight as the 602 - it's a real blast to play!
 
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I have very limited Pilot experience, but I will say that (aside from my Bisonic family pickup obsession) I've found Bartolinis to be my favorite readily available pickup brand overall. I love the sound of their jazz bass pickups specifically and the mighty GB model (Guild-Bass-humbucker-sized pickup) in my old Hagstrom Swede is also delectable. I would say you can expect good things from your incoming bass!
I should also add that I have yet to come across an EMG pickup that really knocked my socks off and would prefer Dimarzios over them as well.
 
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As for how the pick-ups sound, sorry I have no idea as I'm pretty much tone deaf. I just plug stuff in and play them. I have little concern as to how they sound.

Well, this news is a massive unexpected surprise indeed...
 

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I cant help with this but I have never been a fan of emg pups in basses. I swapped the emgs in my 4 string pilots (sold the fretless later and kept the fretted 1984 maple neck that now also has a nordstrand 3-band) nordstrand pickups (big split at the bridge) and never looked back. The 1989 5-string I had came with the california pickups and I swapped them for delanos with sadowsky 2-band electronics. Worked great for me too.
 

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This was the first EMG-equipped instrument I've owned. They weren't exactly bad in a way that I can explain, just profoundly boring to the point that I knew I wouldn't regret ripping out the pickups and preamp altogether.
 

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Well, this news is a massive unexpected surprise indeed...

Well @The Guilds of Grot and I both have simple tastes - in practice the tone control is almost always at one extreme or the other. I seem to recall a conversation where the Pilot with passive controls was preferred because it meant a spare 9v battery did not have to be in the gig bag.

I will avoid the temptation to say "there are two kinds of bassists..." but there are distinct groups. One group is very aware of tone and will spend a lot of effort to find the tone they like most for the situation at hand. This group is very aware of the things that effect tone and can debate the merits of various options. The other group tends to find a tone they like and stick with it. Neither is better, just different, but sometimes there isn't much common ground for conversation :)
 

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My quest for tone seems to mostly be towards making a given bass bright and clear and open sounding if it is not.
I don't like it if a bass sounds like it is wrapped in sweaters and damped down by murkiness.
The Pilots I have heard on Youtube already sound nice and clear to me. At least the ones I have heard.

On a side note:
I have found the two main/most important things that can drastically make a bass more clear/bright/open sounding are:
1. 1MEG volume pot
2. Type of pickup used
I have found that changing caps and tone knob values doesn't change things in that direction much at all.
Another side note:
In a Starfire bass, I found that the BS-1 Bisonic and a 1MEG volume pot will open the tone way, way up.
 
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All the Pilots I've seen on YouTube have EMGs, and while the active EQ does give a range of sounds, I wouldn't generally call them "bright", "clear" or "open". They have a pretty substantial low-mid hump. They also have some odd pot values due to the requirements of the preamp.

With the DiMarzios, I put in all 250K pots and the resulting sound was too bright for me, hence the addition of the cap across the jack which muted the highs and warmed up the mids nicely. I can't stand "clanky" highs in a bass, but they seem to be the norm in both P- and J-style pickups.
 

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Well, I finally have my answer. I like the Barts, but they're extremely bright. I think the preamp was designed to boost treble and bass, leaving the mids more or less alone, and that the most neutral setting is with the treble and bass knobs halfway up. I've seen this on more recent active basses and it works well - when there's a center detent in the pots. The pots in this Pilot have no detent, so it's a bit more of a guessing game. I thought about swapping them out, but there are some funky things going on with the wiring (such as a trim pot for preamp output soldered on top of the bass pot) that I'm a bit nervous about touching.

Instead, I tried the same thing I did on my other Pilot (with DiMarzios): I put an 0.010 uF cap across the output jack, shunting some of the highs to ground. The bass now has a much more useable range of high frequencies, and it's an easily reversible mod. It's still a slightly mid-scooped sound overall, but the "clankiness" is gone. There's a ton of low end available but it's not boomy or muddy.

Comparing the 1989 SB-902 (Advanced) to the 1987 SB-602, the 902 is a tad heavier (maybe 8 lbs, so still reasonably light). The 902 has a slightly chunkier neck with more shoulder.

Pics coming when I've replaced a missing knob, probably today.
 

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