Pickup vs. body

mgod

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Happy Face said:
After Jack left, mgod grabbed the bass to see what the settings were and if it would now sound like Jack if he (mgod) played it. He found it sounded like mgod was playing it.

Please correct me if I bumbled this, Dan. :oops:
You got it right, except that I wasn't looking at bass settings; that was just full up, I was looking at Versatone settings.

One thing to mention is that my first Versatone was a 2-speaker model and Jack had never heard one before and was pretty thrilled by it.

I've gotten a lot of good use out of those on records over the years, but as I've mentioned before I think I only really got to "that" sound once, on a track for Annie Stela, and it was using my SF II.
 

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idealassets said:
This is a pretty definitive rendition. It is 1970 but clearly a Starfire II with humbuckers and "proto-Alembic" mods
This is a great bass solo. There's a clos-up of the pickups, and I see balck in the center, not chrome. Are these bi-sonics, and not really humbuckers?

Craig
Yeah, Jack never used those lovely Guild Honkmasters, always Bi-Sonics.
 

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idealassets said:
There's a clos-up of the pickups, and I see balck in the center, not chrome. Are these bi-sonics, and not really humbuckers?

Bi-sonics. The humbuckers were introduced in late 1970.
 

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mgod said:
fronobulax said:
To veer back, I don't recall mgod's Dude Pit story about Jack Casady playing one of mgod's basses
And yet you do.

I remember things that didn't happen.

HF's reminder did have more details than I recalled. Does this story involve "Sunrise" from Blows Against the Empire or is that another snippet I only partially remember?
 

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After Jack left, mgod grabbed the bass to see what the settings were and if it would now sound like Jack if he (mgod) played it. He found it sounded like mgod was playing it.
No problem, then again mgod has his own achievements on the bass, which is different from Jack. Thats good, unless of course your hearts desire was to be in a Jefferson Airplane tribute band.

Wouldn't that be the ticket? You could have an entire festival of Elvis, Beatles, Van Halen, and Airplane tribute bands (not).
 

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idealassets said:
Wouldn't that be the ticket? You could have an entire festival of Elvis, Beatles, Van Halen, and Airplane tribute bands (not).
So, I'm lying in a hospital bed, 61 staples across my ribs and gut. Its 2 days after a massive surgery. 13 people are crowded into the room, including Fred Hammon and his Mrs. And she lets out that Fred is considering forming an Airplane trib band called the "Clowns of Creation". I don't think I've ever hurt so much in my life.

Yes, Frono, it was "Sunrise" he played.
 

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I'm going to weigh in and say I think the bridge is an extremely weighty factor in the tone.

I'm comparing two JS-IIs, both bodies and builds obviously the same, one a '70, the other a '72 -

Both with Tonestylers in the tone control, the first position of which is a bypass so you get the full tone of the pickup. If I had decent recording equipment I'd post clips, but that may be for later.

In any event, one's got a Bisonic, the other a Darkstar. (There are other pickups but I usually solo the neck.) There's no 'suck' circuit on the '72 anymore, so I don't think it's a factor.

So, very similar pickups, but one's got the stock bridge with rosewood saddles, and the the other has a chromed brass bridge (maybe the stock bridge plate is brass too, I'm unsure), but also brass saddles, and instead of the thin plate screwed into the body that the stock bass has, it's got a 7mm brass plate routed and bolted into the body.

The sustain on the mod bridge is much greater, and the attack is brighter (both are strung with DR Sunbeams which are maybe 6 weeks apart in age), and the harmonic cross talk is more clearly defined, but richer in overtones. The stock bridge has greater fundamental presence, and less in the way of highs.

So it might not be "body" per se, but comparing the Guilds (I know the SFs and the JS series have the bridge in common) to other basses with set necks and mahogany bodies like comparable Epis or Gibsons, or even to B-series basses with the two-point bridge is very telling (though they're long-scale, so that might throw us).

In any case, there seem to be a few 'contact points' that are even more important, or rather at least as important, as pickups and body construction. (Though I guess a lot of people would just put 'bridge type' and 'neck type' into the whole 'body' category, but I prefer to be a bit more particular.)
 

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my ears say a Bisonic goes "pop pop" and a humbucker goes "boom boom" but my ears also say there is a noticeable difference in a maple Starfire vs. mohogany Starfire, even with the same pick ups...in that the maple one has a "brighter" "pop pop" and the mohogany is a "deeper" "pop pop" to the extent that a maple one with humbuckers, even the 90's Dearmonds ("medium scale" and all), sound pretty damn good! i think the mohog Starfire with the humbucker would give you a sound starting to go in the direction of the solid body, since its the same wood and the same pickups (like a JS), of course u still get the acoustic resonance, which sounds great but if u have a Starfire you are probably going for the "pop pop" in the first place and so a mohog one would maybe be more worth replacing with a Dark Star...but if i had a maple one id probably just leave whatever (humbucker) is in there (unless a Dark Star fell in my lap). they all sound awesome though no matter what, that is just my own personal over-analysis of the subject. i will stop there and not go into my opinion that the type of amp and associated speaker configuration plays a huge part as well.

with all that said, i am a huge fan of the solid body JS-1 bass and even the GIbson EB-0, all mahogony, all day. i think the humbuckers sound great on those basses, even the GIbsons, although i know many people dont agree. u cant compare the tone to a Fender short scale bass or a Starfire but for what they are, if u are going for the "boom boom," u cant beat it. love the set neck and all mohog. i dont need a brigde pick up, i just started playing a little bass. emphasis on the word little. i actually have my eye on a JS-1 right now, hope to pull the trigger soon. if i do ill post pics. dont worry im not getting a Gibson bass, cheers
 

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mavuser said:
i actually have my eye on a JS-1 right now, hope to pull the trigger soon. if i do ill post pics. dont worry im not getting a Gibson bass, cheers

Good luck. Hope to welcome you to the club soon.
 

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fronobulax said:
Good luck. Hope to welcome you to the club soon.

well thank u sir...

trigger pulled, but it's 2 time zones away.

I will post a reply in the other thread "a couple of JS basses" later this evening, with the pictures i have so far. very excited! cheers
 
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