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It sure looks like there's back bracing on both of these guitars to me. Perhaps that's the way these prototypes were made, and the regular production run will be arched?
No. Guild showed in the flyer the M-20 and D-20 will be made from solid mahogany. No arched back. There was never such discussion, except the one "Westerly Collection" arched back small F style guitar they will announce at NAMM which I had posted in post #122.
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Anxious to start seeing"new guilds" at this point not optimistic-hang on to the ones you have-they will be priceless. Satin looks really cheap on any brand. M 20's were satin back in the day; they sure sounded great-hog tops as well.
 

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Likely, because I don't think they have all the nitro permits in place yet.
They must have 'em, they're already spraying.
Also the permitting has less to do with the material than the solvents,and just becasue it's satin doesn't mean it isn't nitro, it just isn't buffed.
Even poly requires permitting.
The only credible reference we ever had to what the permit hold-up was, was the unnamed piece of machinery that had a power draw issue.
See post number #121 for the second mention of that probability, originally stated by a source outside the forum.
I never saw anything from Cordoba referring to environmental permit issues, here.
They did mention permitting issues but the environmental/air quality supposition was all speculation from members here based on previous discussions about Fender's supposed woes in that area in Corona.
 
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except the one "Westerly Collection" arched back small F style guitar they will announce at NAMM which I had posted in post #122.
Ralf

NAMM is end of Jan? I am looking forward to NAMM this year, not that I will be there, I mean NAMM news. Should be very revealing for Guild US.
 

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Just a nugget, Remember that they did make arch back acoustics in Mexico in the Arcos series. This means there has to be more than one arch back press out there.:ghost:
Yep and it's only the dies that make a steam press an "arch back press" in any case.
Any press of appropriate pressure capacity and capable of being fitted with the appropriate dies could do the job.
"Dies?", you say?
Well how do you think they managed the different sized backs on D25's, F50's, F40's, and F20'S?
Let alone electrics and archtops?
So I'm sure fitting out a press in China would be no big deal.
 

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Yep and it's only the dies that make a steam press an "arch back press" in any case.
Any press of appropriate pressure capacity and capable of being fitted with the appropriate dies could do the job.
"Dies?", you say?
Well how do you think they managed the different sized backs on D25's, F50's, F40's, and F20'S?
Let alone electrics and archtops?
So I'm sure fitting out a press in China would be no big deal.

Al, always wanted to know what a "die" is. Like Tool and Die shops...Sure, I could google it, but way better to hear it from you. Google cannot compete with that level of detail...
 

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Al, always wanted to know what a "die" is. Like Tool and Die shops...Sure, I could google it, but way better to hear it from you. Google cannot compete with that level of detail...

It's basically a mold, in this case 2 pieces fit together to form the material, but it could also be one piece for cases where a flat piece is merely "cookie cutter" punched from sheet stock. The "cookie cutter" is the die.
Another example would be the piece that's used to form louvers in car hoods.
They're normally designed for a specific piece of equipment and to be interchangable to give the equipment great flexibility.
Normally very hard material like tool steel, designed for long life, as opposed to molds which are assumed to be used for a limited production period after which detail quality and/or the mold itself degrades.
I first learned about 'em in a furniture repair shop, putting the cloth covers on metal button blanks which were pressed in a cup shape and bottoms clamped in with a lever action hand press. Each button size required its own set of dies, and they were the priciest part of the tool..
Should I expand on that?
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Well at least I know what that stuff is dies and all so that's one thing lol still working on the Guild side hehehehe .... 😜
 

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It's basically a mold, in this case 2 pieces fit together to form the material, but it could also be one piece for cases where a flat piece is merely "cookie cutter" punched from sheet stock. The "cookie cutter" is the die.
Another example would be the piece that's used to form louvers in car hoods.
They're normally designed for a specific piece of equipment and to be interchangable to give the equipment great flexibility.
Normally very hard material like tool steel, designed for long life, as opposed to molds which are assumed to be used for a limited production period after which detail quality and/or the mold itself degrades.
I first learned about 'em in a furniture repair shop, putting the cloth covers on metal button blanks which were pressed in a cup shape and bottoms clamped in with a lever action hand press. Each button size required its own set of dies, and they were the priciest part of the tool..
Should I expand on that?
:biggrin-new:

thanks Al. I get it now. Still clueless on why they would call it a die and not a cast? The words makes no sense to me...
 

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thanks Al. I get it now. Still clueless on why they would call it a die and not a cast? The words makes no sense to me...
Well as they say, the die is cast...but seriously:
A die is an object(s) used to shape material in a variety of ways, a cast is the product of a mold, and not all dies are true molds.
The dies that make archbacks would be in the category of what they used to make car fenders with, the dies that make wire by pulling metal rods through successively smaller holes are yet another type.
Die casting refers to a molding process in which liquid metal is injected under pressure into a mold which is actually made of tool steel dies as the halves of the mold. The process gives extreme dimensional consistency between all the castings.
In our case the "die block" would be one half of the die set that has the shape of the outward bulge of the archback, the "punch" would be the mating half that pushes the wood laminate sheet onto the "bowl" of the block,
It could be the other way round, it's just that the part that's stationary and secures the sheet is the block, and the moving/cutting part is the punch.
I don't know whether the outline is punched out of the sheet at the same time as the arch is formed, but it's possible, and thinking about it, it would probably be more accurate and less labor intensive if it was, and I assume they all need to get finished down to final fit by hand in any case.
 
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Would not a die only relate to extruded materials? And the die in this case be called a form or mold ?

Oops wrong again cool ... 😊https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_(manufacturing)
 
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Al, always wanted to know what a "die" is. Like Tool and Die shops...Sure, I could google it, but way better to hear it from you. Google cannot compete with that level of detail...

Hey Woody... I'm glad that you asked that question. I have always been confused by the term "Tool & Die". After reading Al's excellent description, I realize that I was confusing the words "dye" and "die". As a kid, I remember collecting Corgi Toys' Matchbox miniature cars and they were famous for being "die cast". Now I understand that this method of manufacture gave the cars an added dimension of detail. The things you can learn around here... if you pay attention!

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Buncha' oxymorons 'round here!
Don'tcha mean oxymaroons?
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Hey Woody... I'm glad that you asked that question. I have always been confused by the term "Tool & Die". After reading Al's excellent description, I realize that I was confusing the words "dye" and "die". As a kid, I remember collecting Corgi Toys' Matchbox miniature cars and they were famous for being "die cast". Now I understand that this method of manufacture gave the cars an added dimension of detail. The things you can learn around here... if you pay attention!

Bill

I usually look to Al for most of the heavy lifting around here :)
 

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If Oxnard had a professional sports franchise, could they be the Oxnard Oxymorons?
I'm thinkin' it'd be perfect for one of those "Arena Football" teams....
 

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January 6, 2016:

"
[h=2]PRODUCTION BEGINS IN GUILD GUITARS’ NEW CALIFORNIA FACTORY
[/h][h=3]With Ren Ferguson at the Helm, Guild Resumes Production in the USA[/h]
SANTA MONICA, CA – After months of anticipation, Guild Guitars is thrilled to announce that they have opened the doors to their brand new, state-of-the-art facility in California, and resumed building guitars in the USA.
After the previous Guild factory was closed in New Hartford, Connecticut in 2014, Guild packed up the machinery that has helped create Guild instruments for decades, and moved cross-country to Ventura County, California. Guild’s new factory has been built from the ground up with meticulous care and scrupulous purpose under the guidance of Ren Ferguson, VP of Manufacturing and R&D. “Our philosophy has been to measure twice, and cut once,” said Ferguson.

No detail was overlooked in the factory’s layout, with efficiency and precision as the primary goal. New machines were designed and brought to life by Guild’s manufacturing team, and even the older machines from Guild’s past were re-tooled and re-purposed to guide Guild into this new era of craftsmanship.
Guild began producing the first guitars out of their new factory late in 2015. The first models are Guild’s iconic M-20 and D-20, followed by the D-55, F-55, and F-512, Guild’s flagship acoustics.
Guild will also bring back some classic electric models.

“We’ve poured a lot of blood, sweat, and tears into the making of this new facility,” said Guild’s President, Jon Thomas. “We can’t wait to show you some of Guild’s best guitars yet.”

Visit Guild Guitars’ exhibit at the 2016 Winter NAMM Show, located at Booth 5308."

Source: http://dshowmusic.com/guild-guitars-new-factory-in-ventura-county-california/

Ralf
 
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