NGD 1960 Ghost Label X-175 w/OHSC

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OK, So I am looking through some ads the other day and amidst the sea of Korean made Newark Street X175's I come across a X175 that looks a bit different. After further investigation it turns out to be a 1960 Ghost Label X175 with the Original Ostrich covered case in pretty nice condition. I have never had a Hoboken X175 before so I figured I would see where the bid went and go from there. Needless to say after studying Han's Book on everything from the tuners to the pickup placement I figured I would throw my hat in the ring and bid on it. As the final bidding was going on I couldn't pass it up. If I did I had the strangest feeling that I would start seeing parts of it listed separately from one of the Chop Shop Jerks on Ebay. I wound up winning the bid and it arrived today so this is my Rescue Guild!

I have played some Newark Street X175's and they are Great guitars but I can Honestly say, While they are faithful reproductions made from modern technology they don't come close to the tone and Feel of an Original! The Franz pickups are awesome in this one. The neck pickup can go from clear to smokey and can get Bluesier than any of my Strats. The Bridge pickup will out Twang a Tele in a heartbeat and if I had to describe it in one word it would be Bite! The 2 mixed together in the middle position are out of this world and it truly is a joy to play. Best I can tell she is all original down to the Square peg Kolb tuners. There is a bit of shrinkage on the heel cap and it looks like the binding is starting to shrink at the waist ever so slightly. There are a few marks in the finish from being 56 years old but everything is perfect structurally and there aren't any deep nicks or dents. The neck profile is nice and full but still very comfortable. The tailpiece has a little bit of Oxidation on it and on small spot where the chrome has come off. The frets look untouched and the acoustic tone sounds like you are playing a Guild flat top! Someone must have either taken care of her or never played her one of the two. This is my first Late 50's/early 60's Guild and I can see why folks are crazy about them. I completely understand everything Walter is talking about now when he describes the tone of his 2 Hoboken X175's! I believe the Case is also original or at least time period correct. It has the look of worn down Ostrich skin and you can barely feel the texture on it.

I am going to clean her up a bit tonight as she has plenty of build up on her. I do have a Chrome Guildsby and Guildsbly bridge that will fit her even though they are not from the 60's so I will have to make a decision in the near future If I am going to set her up to play the way I want it to be, Leave it original and just play it as is, or pass it on to someone else who wants it original and find another candidate for the trem setup. Whatever I choose I plan on Enjoying it for the time I have it so she is going to get the hide glue played out of her tonight! Here are some pics from the ad to give you an idea of what she is like and I will post some new ones when she is finished with her spa day getting cleaned up! Enjoy!

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Awesome! I once had a 1961 version that was a phenomenal guitar. It went to cover my AP obsession, but I wish I still had it.

I call dibs on that right now if you ever let it go. :eagerness::redface:
 

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Nothing's cooler that Hoboken archies. I'll never sell my '59, and yours looks nicer. Congrats!

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Way cool. And anyone in a GAS enduring way. I like my NS version a lot. If a 60s version is so much better....
 

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Beautiful! As much as I love me some Guildsby action, I would not put a Guildsby on that.

That guitar has known who she is and what she's about for 56 years. Clean her up and let her be.
 

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Now that is NICE! congratulations! IF you're thinking of adding a Bigsby, check the neck angle/bridge height first againt your other guitars that have one. I used to have a very similar 175, ghost label, '59 or 60, and it *just* didn't have enough neck angle for a Bigsby B6 (or "Guildsby B2", same thing different look) to work really well.
 

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Congrats! That's beautiful - enjoy playing it! It looks like a case queen that didn't get much playing time, make sure to remedy that. ;-)
 

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tx, that is a way cool guitar.

Why don't you put it in your car and come up and visit me at the Arlington Texas Vintage Guitar show this weekend? Biggest vintage show there is these days. My booth will be in the carpeted room, under the name Guitar Tracker Vintage Instruments.

With reference on whether to Bigsby it or not. I would like to see pics of the break-over angle of the strings on the bridge from the side. Your bridge top looks like it's adjusted pretty far down. If that's true and not a just a 'trick of the camera', that does not auger well for fun with a Bigsby. But I've been wrong before.

Seriously, if you do want to come to the show, I'll bring an X-170T and some metal rulers and we'll shoot all the angles on that guitar and apply it to your X175! Just send me a PM and I'll send you my cell phone number!

In the mean-time, have fun with that guitar. Harry/gilded
 

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tx, that is a way cool guitar.

Why don't you put it in your car and come up and visit me at the Arlington Texas Vintage Guitar show this weekend? Biggest vintage show there is these days. My booth will be in the carpeted room, under the name Guitar Tracker Vintage Instruments.

With reference on whether to Bigsby it or not. I would like to see pics of the break-over angle of the strings on the bridge from the side. Your bridge top looks like it's adjusted pretty far down. If that's true and not a just a 'trick of the camera', that does not auger well for fun with a Bigsby. But I've been wrong before.

Seriously, if you do want to come to the show, I'll bring an X-170T and some metal rulers and we'll shoot all the angles on that guitar and apply it to your X175! Just send me a PM and I'll send you my cell phone number!

In the mean-time, have fun with that guitar. Harry/gilded

TX, you should definitely take Harry up on his offer, he's the consummate host!
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double post, three minutes apart this time. Man, my computer is getting cray cray!
 
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Thanks for the replies everyone and the suggestions! Harry I would love to join you but this Bad Shoulder isn't letting me drive more than 10-15 miles without giving me some serious problems. Still waiting on approval for another MRI to get a clearer picture of why things in the shoulder aren't working right. I do appreciate the offer though!

As far as the Neck angle for the Guildsby goes it will work where it is now. The Rosewood bridge after setting everything up last night has a small bit of adjustment left in it. I set it up last night with some DR Pure Blues 11-50 Nickel wounds and the action is nice and low with great intonation. If I do decide to put a Guildsby on it I will remove the entire original rosewood bridge in one piece with the base so it can be re installed at a later date if need be. I know a lot of folks here don't care for them but if I install the Guildsby on it I will use a new Rosewood base and a Schaller Low profile Roller TOM bridge. That will give me even more adjustment as that bridge setup is shorter than the original Rosewood one where it is now by at least 3/16".

She sounded good when she got here but after cleaning 30-40 years of Gunk off of her she sounds even better. The poor frets and fretboard needed some serious cleaning and the fretboard has some wonderful grain in the Brazilian RW that was hiding under all that stuff. Nothing that some Extra fine steel wool and Bore oil didn't fix. I am amazed at how sturdy this guitar is, The 11-50 strings honestly play like 10's after the setup. I will play her for awhile before I decide to do the Guildsby conversion or not and just enjoy my time playing her for now. Hope everyone has a great Friday!

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First of all, congrats on an amazing beautiful vintage 175. My aversion to roller bridges aside, the only caution I would give to using a Schaller Roller Saddle bridge is the radius of the bridge saddles which is listed as 14". You probably want to check the fretboard radius of the 175. If the radius is 12" you'll be fine. If the radius is 9.5" you're going to have a difficult time maintaining that nice set-up. A good ABR 1 style bridge (Gotoh, Tone Pros, etc) will afford you the ability to customize the saddle radius and should still be low profile. Worst case scenario, if you find an ABR-1 style bridge a bit taller than you like, the bottoms of the bridge ends that contact the thumbwheels can always grinded down a bit. Same thing can be done with a metal Bigsby bridge.
 

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A vintage metal bigbsy bridge will have the right arc, but you'll need a wound G string.......

Gotta go to the show. You guys have fun without me!
 

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Beautiful! As much as I love me some Guildsby action, I would not put a Guildsby on that.

That guitar has known who she is and what she's about for 56 years. Clean her up and let her be.

I'm with GAD on this. She was born without the extra appendage, and has aged very well that way. I would keep her all original, but that's just me. Whatever you decide enjoy it.
 

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I'm with GAD on this. She was born without the extra appendage, and has aged very well that way. I would keep her all original, but that's just me. Whatever you decide enjoy it.

I figure I can put a Korean Made Duesenberg style Tremolo on her as I like the shape better than the Guild version. For a bridge I'll just do away with the floating bridge and install a bridge block under the top to mount a tun-o-matic straight through the top by drilling two holes in it. I won't have to worry about the Fret board radius as the new one will have the Fender style Progressive Fretboard radius getting flatter as it get further up the neck. I figure I can pay for all of that by selling the original Franz Pickups and routing the top to make room for some 2003 Epiphone Les Paul Humbucker Pickups I have here at the house. I can also replace the inferior Kolb tuners with some Guitar Fetish Branded locking split posts although I will have to drill new holes for them as they only come in 6 on one side configuration so 3 tuners will have to be mounted upside down. Finally I am going to have a fretboard made from the luthiers in Vietnam that sell their inlay work on Ebay. I'm figuring I will have them do away with the block inlays and replace them with an Eagle attacking a Dragon inlaid the length of the fretboard, maybe replace that Guild head stock face plate as well with a Gibson style one that actually reads "Gipsun" since it should fit the lipstick headstock style on this guitar.

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By the way, All of that is a joke.:triumphant: LOL!
 
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First of all, congrats on an amazing beautiful vintage 175. My aversion to roller bridges aside, the only caution I would give to using a Schaller Roller Saddle bridge is the radius of the bridge saddles which is listed as 14".

I actually get my bridges through Allparts here in Houston which are based on different Manufacturer's bridges. If it has been made or manufactured for a guitar, Allparts probably has a version of it in the specs you want. The Allparts "Schaller style" low profile bridge comes in different radii. I had one on a Starfire 2 that I converted to a 3 that had a very shallow neck angle from the factory and also have the same style on my X160 Rockabilly which there is plenty of adjustment room on. They offer their's in 12" and 14". I have been down this whole bridge tremolo road many times before and while it might not be what others like, I know what I like when it comes to tone and dependability, especially without having to use Locking tuners as I am not a fan of those.

I promise you, If I can't do it the right way I won't take a chance on messing up this guitar. If it doesn't pan out I am happy with it staying original.
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I figure I can put a Korean Made Duesenberg style Tremolo on her as I like the shape better than the Guild version. For a bridge I'll just do away with the floating bridge and install a bridge block under the top to mount a tun-o-matic straight through the top by drilling two holes in it. I won't have to worry about the Fret board radius as the new one will have the Fender style Progressive Fretboard radius getting flatter as it get further up the neck. I figure I can pay for all of that by selling the original Franz Pickups and routing the top to make room for some 2003 Epiphone Les Paul Humbucker Pickups I have here at the house. I can also replace the inferior Kolb tuners with some Guitar Fetish Branded locking split posts although I will have to drill new holes for them. Finally I am going to have a fretboard made from the luthiers in Vietnam that sell their inlay work on Ebay. I'm figuring I will have them do away with the block inlays and replace them with an Eagle attacking a Dragon inlaid the length of the fretboard, maybe replace that Guild head stock face plate as well with a Gibson style one that actually reads "Gipsun" since it should fit the lipstick headstock style on this guitar.

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By the way, All of that is a joke.:triumphant:


You got me. I got to "mount a tun-o-matic straight through the top by drilling two holes" and stopped reading in disgust (with an audible groan). Then I saw your last sentence. :eagerness:
 

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I figure I can put a Korean Made Duesenberg style Tremolo on her as I like the shape better than the Guild version. For a bridge I'll just do away with the floating bridge and install a bridge block under the top to mount a tun-o-matic straight through the top by drilling two holes in it. I won't have to worry about the Fret board radius as the new one will have the Fender style Progressive Fretboard radius getting flatter as it get further up the neck. I figure I can pay for all of that by selling the original Franz Pickups and routing the top to make room for some 2003 Epiphone Les Paul Humbucker Pickups I have here at the house. I can also replace the inferior Kolb tuners with some Guitar Fetish Branded locking split posts although I will have to drill new holes for them. Finally I am going to have a fretboard made from the luthiers in Vietnam that sell their inlay work on Ebay. I'm figuring I will have them do away with the block inlays and replace them with an Eagle attacking a Dragon inlaid the length of the fretboard, maybe replace that Guild head stock face plate as well with a Gibson style one that actually reads "Gipsun" since it should fit the lipstick headstock style on this guitar.

TX





By the way, All of that is a joke.:triumphant:

I thought you were serious with the tremolo, but then you mentioned drilling holes in the top in the next sentence, and I suspected, or at least hoped you were kidding.
 
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