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I was at Union Music today in Worcester (my local Mecca for all things acoustic). Had a great conversation with Carl (the owner) and got to sample most of the current Guild line.

I'm happy to report only good things to my LTG buds! New Hartford is putting out real Guilds -- there is no more debate about that in my own mind. No concerns about building salad bowls or disrespecting the brand history... Nonsense, I tell you. I'll get more to the guitars in a minute, but a couple of things first:

1. There was serious price pressure being put on dealers earlier in the year, but Carl told me that Fender came to their senses recently and made doing business with them a bit easier. I don't know the details, guys, but Carl has been frank with me in the past and he would've told me if he was being squeezed badly. A quarter of his acoustic wall is laden with Guilds (mostly the Connecticut ones, by the way), but he deals in Martins and Taylors too. He's a good person to get the pulse of things from.

2. There's a 10% Guild sale going on this weekend only, and it's from Fender. Union already hammers off 10% this time of year as I imagine so do many other stores, so if you find one you like I strongly recommend breaking out your wallets, folks, and go steal one of these things... It's across the board on Guild products, so it includes all the models, not just the Connecticut axes.

So, I sat down with D-55, -50, -40 models, and an F-30 and F-512. The DVs from Mexico I reviewed elsewhere so I won't repeat myself here. There were a couple of GADs (more on that shortly), but the Connecticut presence was biggest.

First of all, there was absolutely nothing to pick on in the construction of these guitars. Fit/finish was first rate. Kudos, Kaman folks! The mahogany woods were rather plain looking to me, but I don't think that's anything new (i.e., that's the supply that's out there, I guess). The base of the neck of the F-30 looked like it was sufferering a little rash from the hangar, just confirming the use of nitrocellulose lacquer on these babies (not that we doubted it). Shoot, I meant to mention that to Carl.

So, what do I have to say... Between the two rosewood Ds, I remain partial to the D-50. That's exactly how I felt with the Tacoma models, and it remains true with the latest bunch. The D-40 is just wonderful... everything you'd expect from a mahogany D. Better than the Tacoma, if I recall correctly. The F-30 is a nice small body, but is still not my cup of tea.

The F-512 continues the jumbo legacy beautifully. There is slightly (and I mean slightly) less punch than the Tacoma version, but it's still the king of the 12 string rack. Also of note, the faceplate is definitely real wood (ebony, I guess). I'm not sure that's true on my Tacoma -- I've always guessed it was black plastic. I'm not sure I'll ever know for certain. And, indeed, Connecticut has abandoned the funky pickguard shape and gone traditional, which we'd already known and breathed a bit of a sigh of relief.

Open back tuners: I guess that's a matter of taste. The Gotohs they're using seem perfectly adequate to me. And, of course, even though Guild was using sealed tuners with lots of size/mass since the '70s, I can't say anything bad about these open-backs. The tuner buttons and the ferrule on top are smaller than what I've gotten used to with the Grovers of late, but actually I like that.

Final comment. The GAD version of the F-212 is absolutely wonderful. I haven't played a US F-212 to compare it to, but this guitar needs NO excuses for itself, regardless of price. The Chinese folks are getting this one right indeed. If you haven't had a chance to hammer on one of these, do it.
 

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I'd say that's a glowing report for all on this forum to digest.
Thanks for doing the field work, on our behalf.

Now, if I can just get my local Guild dealer to stock more than two models at a time, maybe I can enjoy that sweet little space you found.

Best to ya',
Joe
 

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I forgot to mention that Carl has an F-47 inbound in the next couple of weeks. So, I'm really looking forward to banging on that one. Unfortunately, no plans to get one of the limited GSR versions of the F-40, but who knows...? :)
 

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Chazmo said:
... Final comment. The GAD version of the F-212 is absolutely wonderful. I haven't played a US F-212 to compare it to, but this guitar needs NO excuses for itself, regardless of price. The Chinese folks are getting this one right indeed. If you haven't had a chance to hammer on one of these, do it.
Hi Chaz and thank you for your comments. The Chinese have been artisans for 3,000 years; considering their history of remarkable work and in the larger scheme of things, the fact that they messed with Communism for three generations won't get rid of their culture's capacity to produce beautiful things. Sure; I'd like to have a new top-of-the-line CT Guild ... but I'd also like a newer car ... and then there's the garage door ... and .... J
 

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Chazmo said:
... Final comment. The GAD version of the F-212 is absolutely wonderful. I haven't played a US F-212 to compare it to, but this guitar needs NO excuses for itself, regardless of price. The Chinese folks are getting this one right indeed. If you haven't had a chance to hammer on one of these, do it.
Hi Chaz and thank you for your comments. The Chinese have been artisans for 3,000 years; considering their history of remarkable work and in the larger scheme of things, the fact that they messed with Communism for three generations won't get rid of their culture's capacity to produce beautiful things. Sure; I'd like to have a new top-of-the-line CT Guild ... but I'd also like a newer car ... and then there's the garage door ... and .... J

CJ, did you ever watch the movie "The Red Violin?" My concept of mid-20th century China and Western music is rather close to what you see in this movie. The effect of repression on music is an interesting subject all on its own. Give it a watch if you haven't; the whole movie is completely fascinating. As for the GAD F-212... I'm not sure how much it takes its influence from, say, your Hoboken, but it would be cool to do a side-by-side. I did that a few months ago over at Union with the GAD version of the JF-30-12 vs. my Westerly.
 

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Hi Charlie; didn't see the movie but in thinking of the GADs, I did think about the 4,000 terra cotta soldiers buried outside an Emperor's tomb. Like guitars, made up of sub-assemblies ... unlike (most) guitars, made under slavish conditions but they were all mass-produced ... not one-off commission pieces that, apart from the others, each is a thing of beauty. By 'western music' and borrowing from Frosty ... do you mean Darryl's beloved Western Swing or music not made in the east? :wink:

Alternatively if you're talking about Revolutionary convulsion ... the clash of traditional Chinese culture and Marxist collectivism [Pat Boone v. Chuck Berry] ... I get an idea of what you mean. I mostly go to Miami for business; once there, the goal is to get out of there when finished (hell on wheels ... northbound I-95 in Dade Cty). Maybe next time, I'll call ahead to Sam Ash ... see what they have hanging on the wall. No point in waiting on WPB Guitar Center. Thanks again. J
 

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Wow great report!

I may need to take a trip Worcester. I don't think I'll be buying a new Guild, but I would love to at least play a few.

Helicopters, submarines and fine acoustic guitars! We've got it all here in Connecticut.

-Chris
 

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plaidseason said:
Wow great report!

I may need to take a trip Worcester. I don't think I'll be buying a new Guild, but I would love to at least play a few.

Helicopters, submarines and fine acoustic guitars! We've got it all here in Connecticut.

-Chris

Well, if it's a choice of heading north for Guilds versus south for Johnny Cakes, I'm in favor of it, Chris. :)

If you do go, just be remember "aim for the Hess station and bear left in front of it." Getting to the store from the highway (290) involves going through the zaniest intersection in the area (Kelly Square)...
 

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Chaz, thanks for the report!

I've been to Union... bought a classical guitar there once, good folks for sure.
 

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Hi Charlie; didn't see the movie but in thinking of the GADs, I did think about the 4,000 terra cotta soldiers buried outside an Emperor's tomb. Like guitars, made up of sub-assemblies ... unlike (most) guitars, made under slavish conditions but they were all mass-produced ... not one-off commission pieces that, apart from the others, each is a thing of beauty. By 'western music' and borrowing from Frosty ... do you mean Darryl's beloved Western Swing or music not made in the east? :wink:

Alternatively if you're talking about Revolutionary convulsion ... the clash of traditional Chinese culture and Marxist collectivism [Pat Boone v. Chuck Berry] ... I get an idea of what you mean. I mostly go to Miami for business; once there, the goal is to get out of there when finished (hell on wheels ... northbound I-95 in Dade Cty). Maybe next time, I'll call ahead to Sam Ash ... see what they have hanging on the wall. No point in waiting on WPB Guitar Center. Thanks again. J
Hi CJ,

What I was actually referring to was music "from the west." In this movie, it was about classical music. The cultural revolution did not tolerate the study or possession of western music and the instruments associated with it. The Red Violin is fiction, but I believe the depiction of the repression was pretty close to the real deal.

Ugh, 95 in FL can't be a pretty picture around Thanksgiving, CJ. That whole road turns into a parking lot up and down the entire coast. I essentially avoid it at all costs, though I realize you have no choice. Enjoy, and happy turkey!!!!!
 

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Frosty said:
Chaz, thanks for the report!

I've been to Union... bought a classical guitar there once, good folks for sure.
Hope all's going well up your way, frosty. Happy turkey to you and yours! :)
 

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Chazmo said:
CJ, did you ever watch the movie "The Red Violin?" My concept of mid-20th century China and Western music is rather close to what you see in this movie. The effect of repression on music is an interesting subject all on its own.
Thanks for the review AND this tip, Chaz. I'll look for the movie as I'm a bit of a Sino-phile and a student of music history. I've seen a lot of recent Chinese entertainment shows and noticed their pop music is showing a LOT of western-style influences. They've even got their own versions of "Idol". Don't get me wrong though, I'm NOT a fan of American Idol...ok done veering!
 

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Chazmo said:
... it was about classical music. The cultural revolution did not tolerate the study or possession of western music and the instruments associated with it .. Ugh, 95 in FL can't be a pretty picture around Thanksgiving ...
Hi Chaz; from the little I know, Chairman Mao and the Gang of Four didn't tolerate much of anything ... not to mention the musical pleasures of the people (Les Anglais) who'd brought them opium to trade for tea ... and later Les Euros who'd tried to carve the place up in the late 1800s ... and I-95, from Miami to the Broward County line, is ugly most of the time. :evil: :D
 
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I am wondering if anybody is going to take back all the comments about those guys cant build a real guitar, all they do is build salad bowls,and use plastic. How are they ever going to build a real guitar? Just wondering.
Oh and by the way .... Happy Thanksgiving to all.
 

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The Red Violin

Perfect movie for a wine/dinner evening (at home) with my wife. We were enthralled, to say the least. Great story, great acting, and Samuel L. Jackson showing the range of his skills. :wink:

A must see! And of course, make the wine red.

Joe
 

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I remember a time when a tag/label that said "Made in Japan" was the source of considerable humor.
Fast forward 50 years....can you hear me now? :wink:

Joe
There was also an album called "Made in Japan" and it may still be a source of considerable humor.... :mrgreen:
 

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Nice report Chazz...the New Hartford's I have played sound great to these ears, although I haven't been fortunate enough to play the F512 ...the F50R I played was awesome as well as the D50, and D55.
As far as Gads are concerned, I love the sound of the Gad50 and of course my GAD25 is delicous and dark sounding.
One of these days (years :lol: ) I hope to be able to get an F512, either vintage or new. :wink:
 
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