F 512 Oh, No!!!

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Well, it had to happen sooner or later. My beautiful F-512 fell of a guitar stand today, not once, but twice. I thought it was locked in (Hercules stand), but wasn't. No major damage, just two broken strings and some small cracking in the treble side binding at the 3rd fret. There was a luthier at the jam and he says he can smoothe it out, so I'll be bringing it to him sometime this week. It's not bad, no chunks missing and doesn't seem like it will bother my left hand at all, have to wait until I replace the two 'e' strings to tell for sure. At least it was my fault and not somebody else. :(
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Brad Little said:
Well, it had to happen sooner or later.......................................
.<snip>............ :(
Brad

Well, now that you've got that out of the way, you can on with enjoying that beautiful guitar.

Here's hoping that the repair job comes out better than you expect. :)

~nw
 

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Thanks for all the sympathy. Now for something more important: how the heck do you string the slotted head machine? Everything I've tried just slips off. I know I saw a tutorial somewhere, but don't remember where.
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killdeer43 said:
Brad Little said:
Now for something more important: how the heck do you string the slotted head machine? Everything I've tried just slips off. I know I saw a tutorial somewhere, but don't remember where.
Brad
Try this link:

http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Musician/Guitar/Setup/SteelStrings/Stringing/slotheadstr1.html

Joe
Thanks, but it's not a slotted headstock, it's a tuner with a slot instead of a hole. It looks like the end has to go down in a hole in the middle and then let the end wind around the peg somehow, but it doesn't grab no matter how I try.
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Brad Little said:
Well, it had to happen sooner or later. My beautiful F-512 fell of a guitar stand today, not once, but twice. I thought it was locked in (Hercules stand), but wasn't. No major damage, just two broken strings and some small cracking in the treble side binding at the 3rd fret. There was a luthier at the jam and he says he can smoothe it out, so I'll be bringing it to him sometime this week. It's not bad, no chunks missing and doesn't seem like it will bother my left hand at all, have to wait until I replace the two 'e' strings to tell for sure. At least it was my fault and not somebody else. :(
Brad

Well, the first ding is always the toughest one, and it's almost a good thing to get it out of the way. After the New Hartford tour, I bought three Hercules stands because I thought they were so nice (and secure). How does a guitar fall out of one of them? Didn't think it was possible!
 

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Brad Little said:
Thanks, but it's not a slotted headstock, it's a tuner with a slot instead of a hole. It looks like the end has to go down in a hole in the middle and then let the end wind around the peg somehow, but it doesn't grab no matter how I try.
Brad
Oops! My bad. I must have been napping. :oops:

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twocorgis said:
I bought three Hercules stands because I thought they were so nice (and secure). How does a guitar fall out of one of them? Didn't think it was possible!
Negligence, I guess. I thought it was caught in the closing device but apparently it wasn't. I'd never had them not close before, but this time they didn't.
Now if I can figure out the slotted tuner. I got one string to stay, but no idea how. The other one just keeps slipping out or popping over the top. It's frustrating after no problem changing strings for almost 50 years suddenly to not know how!
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Brad Little said:
twocorgis said:
I bought three Hercules stands because I thought they were so nice (and secure). How does a guitar fall out of one of them? Didn't think it was possible!
Negligence, I guess. I thought it was caught in the closing device but apparently it wasn't. I'd never had them not close before, but this time they didn't.
Now if I can figure out the slotted tuner. I got one string to stay, but no idea how. The other one just keeps slipping out or popping over the top. It's frustrating after no problem changing strings for almost 50 years suddenly to not know how!
Brad

I can't help you with the slotted tuner (no experience, except on my P-Bass), but thanks for the heads-up with the Hercules stands. I'll make sure to double check from here on in. Still love the stands, though.
 

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killdeer43 said:
http://www.theguitarfiles.com/guitarfile712.html

How about this one, Brad? Working the angles for you. :wink:

Joe
Yeah, saw it, but doesn't make sense to me. Especially the part about holding with your left hand but using the right in the picture. Might be easier with bigger pictures. It also might be easier with a heavy wound string. I guess I'll just have to wait until tomorrow and try again when I'm not so frustrated.
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Brad,

I looked at that tutorial. It appears right, but I think the guy explained it in a complicated way. And you're right, the small pics don't help!

That said, it ain't that hard to do:

1) Position the 'slot' in the tuner shaft so that it is parallel with the nut of the guitar.

2) Put the string in the in the bridge and 'pin it' with the bridge pin, just like you would any other acoustic steel-stringed flat-top 're-string job'.

3) Take the rest of the string and stretch it out, between about 1.5" to 3" longer than the string post you are going to be putting the string in. Why? You don't need to wind all of the string around the post and you are going to be cutting some of the excess string off of each length of string!

4) Cut the string three inches longer on the unwound (plain) strings and 1.5" to 2" inches longer on the wound strings (the 'shortest' should be for the low E and A, then 2" on the D and G. Why? The bigger strings take up more space on the tuner shafts- you'll see).

5) Stick the end of the string down in the hole. When it hits bottom, bend the string over the slot side that is facing the center of the neck.

6) Now that you've bent the string over the slot, hold the string in one hand to maintain tension and turn the tuner button with the other (okay, okay, use a string winder!!).

7) As the string winds around the tuner, make sure it wraps DOWN the tuner shaft, towards the headstock.

8) Tune to pitch.

9) Tell gilded 'thank you' if it works. Don't bother gilded if it doesn't.......

10) Repeat with the next string.

Seriously, once you get the hang of it, it's a whole lot easier and quicker than re-stringing with regular tuners, honest.

Good luck, gilded
 

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:oops: I'll never forget the day I brought home the immaculate JF30 which was a surprise gift from my wife. After changing strings and cleaning her up, I'd left her on a stand in the middle of the living room and went to the kitchen to chat with my wife and get a drink. All of the sudden it sounded like someone had dropped a Grand piano from the ceiling to the floor. Man, I freaked. Thank God she fell away from the coffee table and straight down on the carpet. 12 strings are very top heavy and I hadn't considered that. I do think the fall was responsible for a couple of finish cracks, very hard to see, but she still looks and sounds fabulous......just put her down in fact.

Good luck Brad.

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Time to be grateful that these things are indeed built like a tank....I had the same frustrating experience after buying a set of those tuners for an electric I have.....Sooooo frustrating....then my friend at the music store said something similar to a prior post. his words were something like. Its easy you just cut the string off the width of you're four fingers, tuck the string into the hole bend it and tune it up....worked for me, but why don't they tell it that way when you get them... :roll ....glad the 512 didn't fall off a balcony and land on you......that could have caused some serious damage. :wink: Steffan
 

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gilded said:
Seriously, once you get the hang of it, it's a whole lot easier and quicker than re-stringing with regular tuners, honest.

Good luck, gilded
Something like that occurred to me while thinking in bed. I'll have to try it after work and see.
Thanks,
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West R Lee said:
Thank God she fell away from the coffee table and straight down on the carpet. West
Mine probably would have been okay, too, except there was a chair on the carpet, in just the right place. :)
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