Guildedagain
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Phones are totally unnecessary for survival, but a great aid for people tracking you.
Emergency Go Packs for seniors?
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FNG
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Robot or human?
www.walmart.com
I have no idea why it says robot or human...it's a jump starter for cars that will charge cell phones etc.
I have one of these in each of my vehicles. I charge them every 3 months but they never need charging it seems.
FNG
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Which is helpful if you get lost.
About a gallon a day per person? Three days? That's what, 25 pounds per person on the first day out? Yeah, we'll need the collapsible/folding wagons for sure. I forgot how much water weighs.
Tommy
Guildedagain
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Gotta have a woobie per person!
The history of the woobie and why they're so beloved
The poncho liner, AKA "woobie," is a long-loved military item. Take a look at its history and why it gets a great name on We Are the Mighty.www.wearethemighty.com
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Water = 8.33lbs a gallon
FNG
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Do you expect to be on foot?
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Guildedagain,
Youy list was incomplete.
Two dozen Condoms. Parachute. $100,000.00 worth of Kruggerands. 16 pairs of Silk stockings. 10 Hershey bars. Yo-yo.
Large kosher salami.
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Told by whom, may I ask?
Not to belittle, or even discourage. It's just that there is a lucrative survivalist industry based purely on societal fear mongering. I don't buy into any of it.
As for some really practical survival info. Forget carrying excess weight. Go online and look up area hiking trail maps that avid hikers have created (and marked). Get a small portable water purifier. Fresh water springs along the trails should be marked on the maps. (Many are a mile or so off of marked trails)Go minimalist and ultra lightweight with EVERYTHING! I have friends that did the entire Appalachian trail from Georgia to Maine in one run. Some twice. Their first time, they packed everything they thought they'd need. 3 weeks in they tossed their hiking boots for a pair of Tevas. They tossed their tent for a single piece of plastic tarp and thin lightweight inflatable mat. They tossed their propane stove for a small piece of grill and a big box of matches and one lone lightweight cooking pot. They tossed their canteen for a over the shoulder water pouch. They tossed their rain gear for a 50gal trash bag. They tossed their jacket for a lightweight thermal poncho. You shouldn't be lugging 30-40 lb on your back. 10-15 max. Lots of packs of lightweight food you just add water to and heat. Simplicity gets you from A to B. Overpreparedness can wind up being a major burden.
Among those giving me advice are the few surviving elders in my family who truly "been there and done that" and have seen the worst that humanity has to offer. I have no reason to doubt their advice.
Tommy
Neal
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The eastern half of Virginia got blasted temporarily back to the 1800's when Hurricane Isabel struck in 2003. No gas, no water, no electricity, and no fresh food for nearly two weeks in some places. And no way out other than on foot, due to the hundreds of thousands of trees blocking major roads.
Having a gas grill with a good supply of propane was a godsend for people I knew who were impacted. So was a freezer full of food in the basement that thawed slowly and gave people a few more days before diving into the Pop Tarts.
One thing that came out of the hardship was that people helped people. There was very little of the kind of nastiness and panic one might associate with people under extreme duress. I hope that has not changed in the past 20 years.
Having a gas grill with a good supply of propane was a godsend for people I knew who were impacted. So was a freezer full of food in the basement that thawed slowly and gave people a few more days before diving into the Pop Tarts.
One thing that came out of the hardship was that people helped people. There was very little of the kind of nastiness and panic one might associate with people under extreme duress. I hope that has not changed in the past 20 years.
Nuuska
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Just got to love the way you do it - so clear and simple - 1 gallon of water = 8,33lbs @ close enough.
Over here we have this unsofisticated system where - 1 liter of water = 1kg @ close enough.
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Nuuska
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Gotta have a woobie per person!
The history of the woobie and why they're so beloved
The poncho liner, AKA "woobie," is a long-loved military item. Take a look at its history and why it gets a great name on We Are the Mighty.
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Indeed. I spent the duration of Isabel at my neighborhood marina w/ numerous neighbors...slacking lines on boats until it got to the point where we were walking by feel on a pier w/ water up to our chest, dunking our heads under to feel for cleats to just free the boats and hope for the best. Everyone who had a boat tied down...sunk! Others from the neighborhood came down to give us food and drinks...or took over shifts on watch. That's what neighbors do. I have the same where I live now. Last blizzard we had, We were without power for several days. Every morning, I'd steep coffee grounds in a big pot on my gas grill on my front porch and neighbors would come up to fill their coffee cups. (W/ or w/o Irish cream.
And tommym, I too have had tales of the worst of humanity beaten in my head since childhood. My mother's hometown of Kassel, Germany was leveled by carpet bombing in Oct of 44. My grandmother and her 4 kids (grandfather who was previously imprisoned just for being the founder of the German Farmers Union was sent to the eastern front) walked w/ one small suitcase containing family documents (birth cirtificates and deeds) from Kassel to their ancestral home in upper Bavaria where they lived in a barn for the next 2 years. A local farmer would give them their used coffee grounds to steep just to get a few cups of ultra weak coffee from. And they were forever grateful. My mother was 12 yrs old, and wore the same pair of shoes till she was 16. All her toes point sideways to this day. She stepped over countless corpses as a child and watched starving people eating axle grease from broken down vehicles for protein. It would take 3 years before my Grandfather found them. It was purely the good of humanity that carried them through. Not saying you shouldn't be prepared and be purely dependent on society, but we are NO WHERE near the worst of what society has to offer. In fact, quite the opposite. If you just watch the blabbering 24 hr network news all day, I can see where folks would think the end is near, but that's 100% pure ratings driven fear mongering. And yes, they absolutely target seniors!! Fact is, it's never been a safer world out there. A little precaution, tact, and wherewithal to not wind up in a bad neighborhood at 1am...no different than any time in human history in any city on the planet...and you're fine. Enjoy life. It's too short not to. Turn off the news and go mingle w/ the world. The majority of people everywhere on the planet are loving, caring, giving, and friendly. Just like it's always been. And for those that aren't, they aren't getting away with crap thanks to surveillance and cellphone cameras. I love it!! I wouldn't trade today for any past decade in US history.
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Guildedagain
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Unfortunately a lot has changed just in the last few years, but besides that, hunger is a very powerful motivator and I've heard tell that "we're just two meals away from barbarity", something to keep in mind.
Neal
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I have been dependent on the supply chain for my entire lifetime, for the food I eat, the clothes I wear, the car I drive, the gas to run it. Even the guitars I play.
It is the price we pay for our unprecedented standard of living. Air conditioning. Medical care. Good roads. A grocery store. The ability to talk to my kids, and their kids, using FaceTime, like out of the Jetsons.
Humans make more good things than we do bad things. We need to find ways to make those things in such a way that we don’t screw up the planet.
It is the price we pay for our unprecedented standard of living. Air conditioning. Medical care. Good roads. A grocery store. The ability to talk to my kids, and their kids, using FaceTime, like out of the Jetsons.
Humans make more good things than we do bad things. We need to find ways to make those things in such a way that we don’t screw up the planet.
FNG
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I was checking out at Lowes the other day, and the power went out. I said to the cashier, "That's how the Apocalypse starts". She had a look of terror flash across her face that kind of startled me. The power came back on and I said "Not today!".
Neal
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I wrote a song during the pandemic called “Armageddon Drinking”.
Needless to say, it is 12-bar blues.
Needless to say, it is 12-bar blues.
Charlie Bernstein
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It depends. Give us more to go on. What will you be doing for three days? Home-invading Disneyworld? Skateboarding the Everglades? Herding manatees?
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“There are only nine meals between mankind and anarchy.” ~ Alfred Henry Lewis, 1906