Frosty
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Chazmo said:Didn't know that, frosty! Good luck in the ongoing quest!
Yeah... Dave Van Ronk, you know.
The other one on the list is a D-50 "TV Special". Me and Tommy Smothers. :wink:
? about the Old F-50Rs
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Yeah... Dave Van Ronk, you know.
The other one on the list is a D-50 "TV Special". Me and Tommy Smothers. :wink:
capquest told me that when he visited the Hoboken shop to pick Cap up, there were only a handful there, and one was Dave Van Ronk's!
JimbowF212
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Chazmo said:
Actually, Jim, it's an F-612. Keep your eyes peeled.
I will but, the F-612 is not listed on the Westerly Guild Website so is it a very limited edition? Or is this the only one? In either case I think the search is going to be Long and Hard! Best Wishes on your Quest!!!
Frosty
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Cool beans! I would have asked to hold it. :wink: Old Dave had two, I am told. I heard him live at a small cafe in the early 1990s... his guitar sounded great. Not all of the studio recording capture the tone, IMO. One of the best around, he was.
Wish I'd been there to see him, frosty!
Jim, yeah, the F-612 is in Hans' book. It was all special order. It's the mac daddy of the Guild 12s... All 18" of it!
Jim, yeah, the F-612 is in Hans' book. It was all special order. It's the mac daddy of the Guild 12s... All 18" of it!
By the way, happy halloween guys. My kids are entering sugar coma right now in my living room. This, as I pick away on my F-512.
Frosty,
I've been looking at a few of the youtube viddies of DVR and all the shots I've seen of him with his F-50R don't have the cloud bridge... The headstock certainly could be Hoboken, but I'm not sure. I suspect the other '67s had clouds too, like mine.
Here's the '67's headstock:
Here's a shot of the twins:
I've been looking at a few of the youtube viddies of DVR and all the shots I've seen of him with his F-50R don't have the cloud bridge... The headstock certainly could be Hoboken, but I'm not sure. I suspect the other '67s had clouds too, like mine.
Here's the '67's headstock:
Here's a shot of the twins:
More trips down memory lane, used to see Dave Van Ronk at various Village venues in the early 60s. So many of the NYC folk singers back then played Guilds, when I finally could afford good guitars (this year ) I gravitated to them.
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) I gravitated to them.Harmony H-173 bought in 1960 (retired)
Alvarez AC60S
Eastman AC320ce BOOKMATCHING BOOKMATCHING WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING BOOKMATCHING!
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JimbowF212
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Chazmo said:Frosty,
I've been looking at a few of the youtube viddies of DVR and all the shots I've seen of him with his F-50R don't have the cloud bridge... The headstock certainly could be Hoboken, but I'm not sure. I suspect the other '67s had clouds too, like mine.
Here's the '67's headstock:
Here's a shot of the twins:
So the F-50R has always had a Rosewood bridge?
taabru45
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As far as I know Jim. Braz for the bridge and finger board. Thats what mine has.(I think... :? for sure.).. :wink: Steffan
hansmoust
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JimbowF212 said:
taabru45 said:
Hello Steffan,
That's probably not correct. By the time they built your F-50R ( second half '70s .... right?) the bridge material was already changed to Ebony. The change to Ebony for the fingerboard already took place during the early '60s; for the F-50 that is. They didn't make the F-50R yet during that time.
Sincerely,
Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl
JimbowF212 said:Yes he did and he is the reason I had my F-212 because I was a big fan and he played a Guild Twelve I know an F-212 wasn't what he played but, I wanted a twelve and the F-212 was what I could get and I was never dissapointed with it at all but, my taste in music went to Bluegrass and I got my Martin and the F-212 was just gathering dust and getting to little use
Greetings from another fat John Denver fan... :lol:
Once I got Hans' book, I became convinced that the 12-string JD is playing is on the album covers of Rhymes and Reasons and Poems, Prayers & Promises is an F-412 Special. There are a couple of photos of that model in the book (p. 109), and it appears to be exactly like JD's guitar - EXCEPT JD's has fretboard binding and the one in the book does not. Both guitars have custom inlays on the fretboard (pre cut pearl inlays in ornate shapes) and only a Guild logo on the headstock (no G-shield or Chesterfield) and no headstock binding. To me, the lack of binding and inlay on the headstocks are the oddest thing about these guitars. It seems like a "deluxe" guitar, which would have higher-end headstock appointments. Anyway, I don't think it's a standard F-512, but I could be wrong.
It's not the same guitar he is holding in Chazmo's post earlier in this thread. That one has a G-shield on the headstock. I'm not convinced that one is an F-612, because I can't see the checkerboard binding that the 612 should have. JD's Guilds are hard to identify.
hansmoust
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pickoid said:
Hello pickoid,
The photo that Chazmo posted definitely shows an F-612. Have a closer look at this photo!
Sincerely,
Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl
Hans, great picture of JD's F-612! And, how appropriate that it's a BIG picture. Man, that F-612 is a monster by any measure. I would love to get my hands on one of these someday. How about a round of "Bells of Rhymney" in drop-D tuning!!!
Did you guys know, though, that there's a company (Larson sp??) that made even *bigger* 12s in standard tuning, I think... Has anyone tried one? I heard of one that had a 22" lower bout. Holy shmegoli!!!!! How do you even play such a beast. [the answer, of course, is... carefully.]
Man, that F-612 is a monster by any measure. I would love to get my hands on one of these someday. How about a round of "Bells of Rhymney" in drop-D tuning!!!Did you guys know, though, that there's a company (Larson sp??) that made even *bigger* 12s in standard tuning, I think... Has anyone tried one? I heard of one that had a 22" lower bout. Holy shmegoli!!!!! How do you even play such a beast. [the answer, of course, is... carefully.
]I actually saw JD in his FIRST gig as the replacement for Chad Mitchell in the Chad Mitchell Trio. They played the Cellar Door in DC and the fact that Chad had been replaced was not publicized beforehand. Needless to say was a little pissed Mitchell wasn't there until this kid picked up his Guild 212 (yup, a 212) and played Get Together and Long Tall Texan with the group - I was hooked on Guild 12's for life as a result.
Holy Toledo! Never seen that photo before. Well, that puts that issue to rest. F-612 it is. Thanks Hans.
I just went and looked carefully at some of the JD album covers, and the F-612 is clearly pictured on the cover of "Live in London," which was a UK-only 1976 live album that was never released in the U.S. It's also in the poster that came with "An Evening with John Denver" but it's not obvious. In the gatefold photo of that album, you can see it on a guitar stand on stage.
I just went and looked carefully at some of the JD album covers, and the F-612 is clearly pictured on the cover of "Live in London," which was a UK-only 1976 live album that was never released in the U.S. It's also in the poster that came with "An Evening with John Denver" but it's not obvious. In the gatefold photo of that album, you can see it on a guitar stand on stage.
pickoid, just FYI, there are pictures of JD with at least one other Guild jumbo 12. Either that or he either seriously customized the original F-612. From what I've seen, there were saddle modifications and the entire inlay on the fretboard changed over time. I'm not 100% sure that other Guild was an F-612, but I do think so as it's a monster. I'm guessing it was a second guitar, but maybe just the original saw some luthier time through it's life.
timbo, that's really awesome about you see him at the Cellar Door!
timbo, that's really awesome about you see him at the Cellar Door!
Taylor Martin Guild
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For those of you that haven't been to this site,
please check it out.
I was fortunate enough to have played and have pictures of me with 2 of these guitars.
I have talked about it here before.
http://www.jdgrs.com/
please check it out.
I was fortunate enough to have played and have pictures of me with 2 of these guitars.
I have talked about it here before.
http://www.jdgrs.com/
Nice site, TMG. Guild 12-string #2 is the "stock" F-612 which I think is in Hans (and my) pictures earlier. Guild #3 is the F-612 (at least I *think* it's an F-612) with the custom fretboard and bridge, and I think it's pretty clear from the grain pattern of the top that it's either a different guitar than #2 or very extensively re-worked (fretboard and soundboard, for sure)...
pickoid, I think you were talking about #1 in that list in reference to the F-412 special, but I'm not sure. It's definitely rosewood, and it certainly could be a 17"er...
Fun stuff, guys.
TMG, if you have pictures of yourself with these guitars, I don't think I've seen them. Could you post them or link us to 'em?
pickoid, I think you were talking about #1 in that list in reference to the F-412 special, but I'm not sure. It's definitely rosewood, and it certainly could be a 17"er...
Fun stuff, guys.
TMG, if you have pictures of yourself with these guitars, I don't think I've seen them. Could you post them or link us to 'em?