'62 ('63 ?) S100 Polara (and an Intro of sorts)

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Hi Guildsters...

This is really my second post, but the first was buried in a response on the ebay board http://letstalkguild.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=21581

I guess I should jump in and introduce myself here as well. I have been lurking for a few years, periodically checking in to see what was happening in the world of Guild. I have the following Guild's and over the last couple of years have really found that these guitars are fantastic players which are underated to some degree by the general market.

'73 S-100
'75 M-75
'78 G-312
'78 S-60D

I tend to value functionality and every one of my guitars is really playable. I have a '74 Gibson L6S with ebony fingerboard, which I would say is probably my favorite, but that thing plays like a dream.

Last week I bid on and won, a 1962-63 S100 Polara that was on fleabay. http://cgi.ebay.com/1962-Guild-Pola...e-/290484953354?pt=Guitar&hash=item43a240a10a I payed a little more than I was wanting to, but it was right in the range that I had set for my max, so I actually came out pretty happy. I received the guitar today and upon opening, I was stoked. Holy cow, this thing is a beauty. It is like a cherryburst color, there are a few dings, but the chrome plating is for the most part perfect, with the exception of one area on one of the pickups where it has flaked. According to the seller, who was fantastic btw, he purchased this a few years ago from the original owner that had apparently not played it in years. There are no mods, everything is original, including the immaculate case and "like-new" Guild leather guitar strap. It even had a cable tucked away in the case, which he felt was original as well. There was some work done on the headstock to fix the separation of the plastic overlay, which I would have preferred my luthier had done. Some excess glue and a few minor clamp marks, but nothing too majorly obnoxious. I am going to see what I can do to clean it up a little.

Now, about these pickups - Holy Cow!! Plugged into my Traynor YGM-4 StudioMate, oh man. I couldn't stop. Kind of a hot but creamy P-90...imagine a P90 that made love to a PAF and spawned these monsters. Oh man. They are hot with some serious bite in the mids and upper end. I assume these were made at Guild, they don't really match the Mickey Mouses, or D'Armonds I have seen...more like what were on some of the early 60's semi-hollows that I have seen. Wow...I am in love with these already. Regardless, I think I have found a new favorite. Damn, what bite.

Anyways, on to the pictures:

Loving this color. This guitar is in fantastic shape to be almost 50. Whoever owned her previously took pretty good care of her.
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There she is...my new girl. Gotta think up a name for her.
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The headstock. You can see a few marks from the clamps used to glue the plastic laminate back down. But I absolutely love this shape. And all said, it is really pretty decent condition considering the amateurish glue job.
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Inside the case, interior is almost immaculate. A little discoloration around the snap lid, but hey, I am good with that. The strap is like brand new.
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Oh my!...check out this almost perfect black/white tweed case. Interior is immaculate. Exterior is almost mint with a few dings. Latches all work smoothly, a little bit of oxidation, but whatever. This was the first thing I saw when I unboxed it...there were no pictures in the original auction. To say my heart was thumping in anticipation after pulling this case out is a bit of an understatement.
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S/N 22442 (late 1962?) -- Tuners are the open gear grovers. Feel really good and smooth. Couple of marks on the back of the headstock from the clamps :(
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Neck is smooth and fast. Singe piece. Profile is a lot like the '74 S100, with a bit less radius (more curvature) on the fingerboard, approaching the S-60 in feel. Fingerboard is a very dark rosewood(?).
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The worst of the dings. One or two on the front as well. For going on 50 years, not too bad.
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The electronics end of this thing...knobs are perfect, trem is perfect, switch is still very snappy, pots are quiet. Eventually, I will open it up, not now though...I am afraid I may screw up whatever sweetness is hidden beneath the pickguard!
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Here is where the plating is flaking off on the bridge pickup. Bummer, but once you hear these, that little issue just falls by the wayside.
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So there it is. I would love to find out much more information, its pretty scarce on the internet. How many were made in this time frame? Anything about the pickups? The color - is it officially "cherry" or something else? Now the big question is, do I keep it as a player or do I put her sweet little a$$ back in that sweet little tweed case? I have players...do I need another? But gosh, she plays and sounds sweet. Decisions decisions...

Craig
 

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Nice and (re)Welcome.

I like the cherry and don't often see intact "kickstands". I suspect someone with knowledge will be along to answer your questions concerning production.
 

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PLAY it!

That's what guitars are for!!!!!!

Just don't use the 'kickstand'... it's not known as the 'crashomatic' for the heck of it... :wink: :lol: :lol:

Oh, and welcome. :D
 

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Thanks for the photos. That thing is flatout beautiful! That must have been one of the earliest S-100 Polara models made.
 

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fronobulax said:
Nice and (re)Welcome.

I like the cherry and don't often see intact "kickstands". I suspect someone with knowledge will be along to answer your questions concerning production.

Thanks Frono! Maybe someone will drop by...I have really had a hard time finding information on this model. I have no idea how many were made, but you don't see a whole lot of these floating around. I have been wanting one for a while, almost bid on the other one that went a few weeks ago that was pretty banged up. When I saw the condition on this one, it was hopeless...over the last couple of hours I have been playing the heck out of her. I am seriously stoked...I haven't heard pickups like these, well ever. I have a good friend that has original PAF's in a Gibson L6S which are super sweet. These to me are in that same realm with a bit more bite through the mids. The guy that sold it told me he loved the tone, but he was a Fender guy and couldn't get use to the neck. Wow...I am glad he let it go.

GuildFS4612CE said:
PLAY it!

That's what guitars are for!!!!!!
Just don't use the 'kickstand'... it's not known as the 'crashomatic' for the heck of it... :wink: :lol: :lol:
Oh, and welcome. :D

Ha ha! Man, I can't quit playing it. When my son comes in later, he is going to be blown away...he has never seen anything like it. I can't wait to hear him put it through its paces. He's the jammer. Oh - and the kickstand - well it works. I was going to use to take a few pictures, but I kinda chickened out after all the horror stories I have read. I do like those little foot pegs on the bottom though...makes it very stable to lean on an amp :)


Thunderface said:
Thanks for the photos. That thing is flatout beautiful! That must have been one of the earliest S-100 Polara models made.

Thanks again Thunder...
Yeah, I don't know, if the Guild S/N's are accurate, the headstock at least is a '62. I don't know how many they built in that time frame, but this one has to be early. Maybe someone with more knowledge can help clarify things a bit.

Regardless, thanks again for the kind comments all. Now, to play with a touch of volume before the neighbors come home from work!
 

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Hans will likely be able to shed some light on the subject once he gets back from Arlington.
 

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Csquare4 said:
There she is...my new girl. Gotta think up a name for her.
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Craig
SHWEET! One of my favorite hobbies is suggesting names for folks, so here's my contribution:
How about "Younger Girl" after the Lovin' Spoonful song...the connection is with Zal Yanovsky who LOVED his Guilds....if I remember correctly he says in Hans' book that all his Lovin' Spoonful leads were played on Guilds, and for sure there"s video of him playing that old "crashomatic" style body, though it might have been a Thunderbird...
 

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C-square, what did you use to photograph your guitar? The photos are fantastic.

And let m just say I'm so glad this one went to one of us, so we can all enjoy it vicariously.
 

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Thunderface said:
C-square, what did you use to photograph your guitar? The photos are fantastic.
And let m just say I'm so glad this one went to one of us, so we can all enjoy it vicariously.

The photos are from my Nikon DSLR. That would be my other hobby. Probably just as expensive as guitars and amps. :|
 

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Welcome Csquare4. Congratulations and all the best with that stunning new Polara. And I think the price was about right for her considering condition. 8)
 

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Welcome, and that is beautiful! Now I have to find a hypnotist to help me forget all about this thread. Another Guild to lust after ...

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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that the pickups (and the tremolo) are actually Hagstroms. I'm willing to stand corrected.

Congrats on a great acquisition. It wouldn't surprise me to see that piece appreciate significantly in the future.
 

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I would say you're right, BB. The tremolo is definitely Hagstrom, and the pickups likely are as well.
 

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Well, I agree too, the trem is definitely a Hagstrom...not sure on the pickups though. I have been searching for some verification though I haven't really been able to confirm.
 

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The "Tremer " is a Hagstrum item but the pickups are Guilds. A while back the origin of the "mini soapbar" was discussed and Han's advised us they were made by Guild. They also came in two styles: Chrome surround and white plastic top and all chrome. The all Chrome pickups are the most common with the "white top" models are usually on the earliest 60's guitars and the chrome jobs comming a little later. The mini soapbar pickups seem to have faded out by 1966. This was a shame because IMO these were a great sounding single coil.

Another interesting feature of the early Polaras was that the Volume and Tone controls were mounted opposite or orthogonal to the Gibson configuration. That is the Volume controls are on the Left and Tone on the Right instead of the more standard Volume on the Top and Tone on the Bottom. I have found other Guild guitars wired up this way but the most common model with this arrangement is the early S-100's.

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matsickma said:
The "Tremer " is a Hagstrum item but the pickups are Guilds. A while back the origin of the "mini soapbar" was discussed and Han's advised us they were made by Guild. They also came in two styles: Chrome surround and white plastic top and all chrome. The all Chrome pickups are the most common with the "white top" models are usually on the earliest 60's guitars and the chrome jobs comming a little later. The mini soapbar pickups seem to have faded out by 1966. This was a shame because IMO these were a great sounding single coil.

Another interesting feature of the early Polaras was that the Volume and Tone controls were mounted opposite or orthogonal to the Gibson configuration. That is the Volume controls are on the Left and Tone on the Right instead of the more standard Volume on the Top and Tone on the Bottom. I have found other Guild guitars wired up this way but the most common model with this arrangement is the early S-100's.

M

Thanks for that extra tidbit Matsickma, good stuff. I will do a search and see if I can find that discussion. Also, that vol/tone configuration really threw me at first and will take some getting used to. The knobs are in the "wrong" place and orientation for sure!

I am hooked on the tone of these pickups.

Craig
 

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Never did find that discussion about the "mini Soapbar" pickups...I would be interested if someone remembers the name of the thread. I searched and searched and searched...on my journey through the archives I learned a lot. Unfortunately, I didn't learn a lot about these pickups, ha ha.

So anyways, every time I have played the Polara, I was getting some dropout from the output jack, so I assumed it was just worn out. I finally decided to pull the pick guard to see if I could fix it or if I needed to replace the jack. Here is what I found.

The electronics appear to be all original, with no work done on the inside. Good. That is what I wanted.

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All of the wiring and solder seems to be the original work. The flux looks as if it has never been disturbed.

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Aha! The culprit. Apparently, at some point the jack tip connector had been bent so that it wasn't making good contact with the cable plug. Easy fix!

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The pots are all matching Centralab pots, I assume 500k's like in the Gibsons of the era. I didn't think to measure them before I put it back together. Date code puts them at the 3rd week of 1963, so definitely a '63...that answers that question, even though the S/N puts it into '62. The code reads: 1346303 BA 811-3322 (all are the same).

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Here is a shot of the back of the pickup for those of us that like to look at these things.

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I found this kind of interesting. Inside the cavity, it looks like they may have "over" routed in a few spots, as they went back obviously after finishing and glued some blocks in to mount the pick guard. There were a total of three of these blocks. You can see the others in the first picture above. I assume when they went to put the pick guard on, they decided they needed a little more solid "foundation" to screw into.

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So there you have it. After straightening the tip where the cable plugs in and putting it all together, no more crackle from the output jack. Problem solved. Now I just want to play it.

If anyone does have information about these pickups, I would love to hear from you. These are really sweet single coils, a very "woody" P-90 vibe going on, but with some scooped twangy bite as well. Very saturated when cranked a little. Maybe they just sound good with my amp, I dunno. They really work for me.

Craig
 

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Stunning guitar. Love how it's in such great shape. That grain, that burst, the relatively meagre evidence of aging... what a catch. Congrats.
 

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Csquare4 :

Thanks for reviving/updating this thread and giving us
another opportunity to drool over your gorgeous Polara!
 
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