solenoid lopez
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Elixir G string issues are commonplace it would seem. Google it!!!
What is it about the G string?
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solenoid lopez said:
I did a bit of a thread about it on LTG some time back. Suffice to say I gave up on Elixir and have gone back to D'Addario - much prefer them
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JerryR said:solenoid lopez said:
I did a bit of a thread about it on LTG some time back. Suffice to say I gave up on Elixir and have gone back to D'Addario - much prefer them
BTW Solenoid - think I asked you where you were located but it was some way from moonraker country. We have some good venues to sing in if you are ever down this way
Hi,
The Just Strings (juststrings.com) site has string tension values for many strings from many, but not all vendors.
Over the years, I have heard that a light string set (.012 to .052 or .054) will be anywhere from 150-180lbs.
Medium strings range from 175-200 lbs.
I don't know if I agree with Mr. Taylor. In order for the string tension to try to purely compress the guitar, as opposed to trying to fold it up, the neck would have to have exactly the same angle as the strings. As acoustic guitars need a saddle and a bridge, there will always be some angular difference between the strings and the neck, and this will always create some force/pull upward on the neck (or downward on the soundboard). The angle of difference is not great, and if needed, the forces involved could probably be calculated, but when all is said and done, acoustic guitars will all need a neck reset sooner or later.
I do find it interesting that one of the selling points of the Taylor NT neck is that it is so easy to do a neck reset. If Mr. Taylor's necks are always set perfectly, and according to him, a perfectly set neck will never need to be reset, why emphasize the ease with which a neck reset can be done? It would be a better selling to point to just come out and say that "Our necks will never need to be reset because they are always set perfectly".
Kostas
The Just Strings (juststrings.com) site has string tension values for many strings from many, but not all vendors.
Over the years, I have heard that a light string set (.012 to .052 or .054) will be anywhere from 150-180lbs.
Medium strings range from 175-200 lbs.
I don't know if I agree with Mr. Taylor. In order for the string tension to try to purely compress the guitar, as opposed to trying to fold it up, the neck would have to have exactly the same angle as the strings. As acoustic guitars need a saddle and a bridge, there will always be some angular difference between the strings and the neck, and this will always create some force/pull upward on the neck (or downward on the soundboard). The angle of difference is not great, and if needed, the forces involved could probably be calculated, but when all is said and done, acoustic guitars will all need a neck reset sooner or later.
I do find it interesting that one of the selling points of the Taylor NT neck is that it is so easy to do a neck reset. If Mr. Taylor's necks are always set perfectly, and according to him, a perfectly set neck will never need to be reset, why emphasize the ease with which a neck reset can be done? It would be a better selling to point to just come out and say that "Our necks will never need to be reset because they are always set perfectly".
Kostas
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I think Kostask is dead on about strings folding the guitar in half -- the strings would have to be down in the center of the neck and sound board (or "following the neutral axis of the beam") to avoid applying a crippling force to the guitar/neck assembly.
That said, to my ear for my style of playing, light strings sound like crap. You can make crap louder with amplification, but you can't change it from crap. Maybe I am just an ignorant bad person, but it is more important to me that my guitar sounds and plays the way I want than that it lasts forever . . .
By the way, wasn't it Mother Maybelle Carter who detuned her guitar every time she finished playing it? Lets you have the best of both worlds -- heavy strings, and a lasting guitar!
So go out and make a joyful noise, with your guitar strung as you see fit.
That said, to my ear for my style of playing, light strings sound like crap. You can make crap louder with amplification, but you can't change it from crap. Maybe I am just an ignorant bad person, but it is more important to me that my guitar sounds and plays the way I want than that it lasts forever . . .
By the way, wasn't it Mother Maybelle Carter who detuned her guitar every time she finished playing it? Lets you have the best of both worlds -- heavy strings, and a lasting guitar!
So go out and make a joyful noise, with your guitar strung as you see fit.
Yup, it's a lot of tension. I can't remember what the number is for 12s, but it's higher than 6s. That said, the gauge of each string in a 12er is reduced from a 6. Unless you are considerably down-tuned, a la Leo Kottke or Leadbelly, you don't want to string up a 12er to pitch with 6-string-like gauges!
A friend of mine kept her 12 strung up way too high in her case for a couple of years without humidifying or general. This guitar is an old Takamine dread. ANyway, the bridge had cracked and lifted and the top had bellied like I've never seen. However, the neck seems OK.
I humidified this guitar and rested a couple of books on the misshapen soundboard, and I've almost got the thing perfect again. Wood is amazing.
A friend of mine kept her 12 strung up way too high in her case for a couple of years without humidifying or general. This guitar is an old Takamine dread. ANyway, the bridge had cracked and lifted and the top had bellied like I've never seen. However, the neck seems OK.
I humidified this guitar and rested a couple of books on the misshapen soundboard, and I've almost got the thing perfect again. Wood is amazing.