What is it about music?

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What is the deal with music? Why does it affect us like it does?

My friend suggests that music is "sticky," i.e., many of our memories and experiences are "stuck" to the songs. So each song brings back a different memory.

I can't disagree; when I hear "Little GTO" for instance, I'm right back in my buddy's convertible at the beach, scoping out the hippie chicks. And so forth.

This is why music is so good for people who have Alzheimer's Disease; it helps them remember. For them, it's "Let Me Call You Sweetheart," and "You Are My Sunshine."
 

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Music revives the inner-most memories and brings back feelings deep within your soul. I do not understand "why" but I, certainly, feel, "when."
 

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Can't explain it, but it is absolutely true. And I'm glad that it is!

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It's all in your head. That and it's healing, the vibrations are healing, they make you feel good.

Picking up good vibrations ;]
 

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Associations are interesting. Certain songs remind us of memories.

So do smells. Patchouli still brings up reminiscences of past girlfriends (yeah, I'm an aging hippy).

Also sounds - a low flying chopper still gives me goose bumps (Vietnam vet).

But you're right . A thousand songs, a thousand "stickies". That's what makes music special. Your Alzheimer's people may not understand, but they do appreciate, and remember.

I love what you do, and wish I could do the same.
 

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Our brains are wired for music.

I discovered this when our oldest daughter was about one year old. Music was and is always in our house - She Who Must Be Obeyed is a wonderful soprano (All State Chorus in New Jersey middle- and high-school), there have been guitars about, along with playback equipment that does the music justice.

Our youngest was just about a year old, and I played this:





She'd never heard it before, and every time the song got to the chorus, she teared up. Every. Time.

That helped my understand why I get verklempt when I hear the opening bars of Beethoven's 6th (The Pastoral), or Barber's Adagio, or Ravel's Pavane for a Dead Princess or even Ashokan Farewell (written in 1982 although it feels and sounds much older).
 

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Humans are tribal storytellers. For millennia we passed down our own histories through story and song, and since communities make prehistory humans safer, we are hardwired to listen to stories around a campfire. Music over stories helps with repetitive patterns that our human brains love to recognize.
 

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BTW this is the same reason that negativity affects us so much: fear of being unwelcome by the tribe, which often meant death.
 

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It's all in your head. That and it's healing, the vibrations are healing, they make you feel good.

Picking up good vibrations ;]
Yup its all about frequencies . We are designed to be stimulated by certian frequencies . One might say why do I like this and you that ? Best I can answer is its the arrangement of the frequencies and their pretty much all in the same spectrum just in different orders of which we are atuned to along with it pulses ie rhythm.
Wait the what the heck am I saying ???? And cut ! 😁
 

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Humans are tribal storytellers. For millennia we passed down our own histories through story and song, and since communities make prehistory humans safer, we are hardwired to listen to stories around a campfire. Music over stories helps with repetitive patterns that our human brains love to recognize....BTW this is the same reason that negativity affects us so much: fear of being unwelcome by the tribe, which often meant death.
Your post made a great springboard for me, so I came not to refute but to elaborate. Yeah, watch out. :)

I humbly submit my pet hypothesis that music even preceded speech in human evolution (and I subscribe to the scientific evidence supporting the principle of evolution).

First things first: What is music? For the purposes of this discussion, my definition:
Sound. Including subsonic or even ultrasonic frequencies picked up by the body outside the perception range of the ear.

Defining elements:
Audible rhythm(s)
Pitch changes in patterns.

Tryin' to strip it down to the basics to illustrate my idea that these elements are directly derived from the brain's ability to recognize patterns in sound as you mentioned.

Sound perception itself obviously has survival advantages both for the individual and the species.

From the prehistoric perspective it allowed perception of both hazards and prey when otherwise not visible. Along with sight, one of the critical survival tools even before man ever developed speech. It even allowed communication over distances beyond normal speaking range with shouts or imitation of birdcalls, for instance..

Which leads to my hypothesis that mimicing of natural sounds like birdcalls, in parallel with the discovery of hollow tree-trunk drums, led to the development of music, long before there was speech.

Perhaps one afternoon an ancient human somehow noticed a hollow log made a noise like a drum. He instinctively taps out patterns on it, reveling in the new discovery. Others of his small hunter/gatherer group hear the sound and come to listen. Perhaps the shaman is born?

So this group now has a drummer whose various rhythms become associated with different activities. Perhaps another group member is inspired to vocalize along with the shaman. Then others join in. Language is not even developed yet, just the variations in human pitch expressing emotion, maybe primitive "grunts".

But it becomes the basis for music to become a method of strengthening group ties and identity, both valuable survival tools. The tribal dance.

Other immediate practical uses come to mind: perhaps it was not only the campfire but the noise of the drums that kept animal predators at bay at night? Perhaps to the point that even human poachers on the tribe's territory would flee in terror when the drums stopped, knowing that meant the bass solo was coming?

Because sound itself is processed at a much deeper level of the brain, the capability of speech is not required to make music.
The reason it resonates so deeply within us is that recognition of patterns in sound is part of the elemental survival perception system.
Memories derived from that system are rooted much more deeply than memories derived from the "speech processing" system.

Because it was there first. More later, but i need to take a break. Any takers? :D

Oh yeah, how about this one: is there any significance to the fact that the human body has a built-in rhythm machine in the heart?
:sneaky:
 
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More? That wasn't enough? LOL

is there any significance to the fact that the human body has a built-in rhythm machine in the heart?

Your mothers heartbeat is the first thing you hear.
 

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People were singing Scriptural songs long before there were printed hymnals. Handwritten scrolls were hard to come by, but people memorized the texts by putting them to music.

The Psalms are a perfect example of this - all 150 of them are songs! Even if you don't put musical notes with them, the poetry itself is lyrical. This made it easier for people to remember and recite them.
 
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One day years ago when we were playing and singing in an Alzheimer's unit, one old gal clapped her hands together and said "I just don't know how anyone could live without music!."

That quote is in our promotional brochure.
 

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Most of music is a mating call.
:D
Don't know if I'd go that far but for sure a primal function of music across a myriad of species. :)

Back to the shaman (Or shaman-ess? My cultural programming is evident):

I think the shaman was born in many places in a relatively short period of time, much the same way it's been said that good ideas also have a curious way of occurring to several different people within a short time.

If the shaman was the "creator" of music, he then may have had the opportunity to wield influence within the tribe.

If the tribe started dancing when he beat on the hollow log, and made it clear they wanted him to keep drumming, perhaps an instinctive grasp of the power in his hands took hold.

I always thought of the shaman myth in terms of the witch doctor who used potions to go into a trance, and revealed messages from the spirits to the tribe when "possessed". But now I think I get where Jim Morrison was coming from a bit more when he called himself a shaman, I think maybe he really got it, that the shaman's original drug was music itself.

So: What's it good for? How does a shamaness earn her keep? Maybe in part by creating ritual music?:

Wake up the tribe in the morning.

Celebrate a successful hunt.

Celebrate a birth.

Mourn a death.

Thank the deity for blessing the tribe.

And yes, of course, the mating dance.

Ceremony.
The roots of religion.

All with the true function of strengthening the tribal ties.

Music becomes a valuable cultural survival asset in a time when speech was still in its most rudimentary phase. (According to my hypothesis.)

Music is still a crucial ingredient of many (if not all?) religions to this day.

Group participation led to invention of more sophisticated instruments beyond the drum. Surely singing, even if only vocalized pitches, was used. Music evolves and becomes more sophisticated even in the earliest stages. Perhaps rudimentary vocalizing itself stimulated the development of speech?

Differing geographies and isolation gave rise to different cultures, shaped by and reflecting their unique environments, each with their own musical instrument evolution, made from whatever local materials were at hand, before the significant exchanges of cultures began to occur:

Woodwinds. Tars (my shorthand for the entire family of stringed instruments built on a resonating body) which seem to be a almost universal theme except for Australia, where aborigines somehow created the unique and prehistoric didgeridoo:

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A neat story about a cultural close encounter:


The music itself was the universal language and spiritual connection, capable of rousing deep-seated human emotions, in that story.

So what came first? Woodwind or string? Or simultaneous?
Matters not. The fact is: the human race is naturally inclined to create instruments to further the creation of music.

There's more, about cultural programming, but I gotta break now... I paused my Youtube playlist to post this...;)

Oh yeah, a slight veer:
So far my only alternative theory about the origin of music is that one day a gang of space bikers had to make an emergency pit stop for repairs on the Third Stone From the Sun, and had a party: sex, drugs and rock'n'roll and everything.

Unfortunately, the locals who dared to lurk and watch and listen in the shadows at the fringes became infected with the music virus.

Any takers?
:alien:
 

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The Third Stone from the Sun theory has merit.

"The fact is: the human race is naturally inclined to create instruments"

And make hooch and take drugs!

But that's all recreational, what comes next is really procreational ;]

If you think of it as Maslow's hierarchy of needs;

1) Make some noise, validation of your existence.
2) Get high, feel better.
3) Sex

You can see that procreation doesn't rate real high compared to being admired and stoned, but luckily our hormones are there to help us do the rest, and we're here to repeat the cycle ;]

You can mix and match 1- 2-3 at will. Some people need #2 to do #1 and got past #3, more time to spend on the other two. As you get old, sex is less interesting but you sure as hell have more body issues from doing too much of all three so you need a lot more 2 than 3, although the endorphin release benefit of 3 can't be overlooked.

Sex, Drugs and Rock n' Roll are only in that order because of their timeline in human history. Sex, then Drugs coming in a very close second, and Rock n' Roll seemingly taking millions of years of evolution. 5.9999999999999999999999999999999999 million years of evolution apparently, and it was worth the wait.
 
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The Third Stone from the Sun theory has merit.
Indeed, it may well have a vestigial modern day reenactment in the gestation story of the Grateful Dead..
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You can mix and match 1- 2-3 at will. Some people need #2 to do #1 and got past #3, more time to spend on the other two. As you get old, sex is less interesting but you sure as hell have more body issues from so you need a lot more 2 than 3, although the endorphin release benefit of 3 can't be overlooked.
One of the shaman's toughest jobs was figuring out how to motivate the old guys who just wanted to watch during the fertility rites.
 

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Our brains are wired for music.

I discovered this when our oldest daughter was about one year old. Music was and is always in our house - She Who Must Be Obeyed is a wonderful soprano (All State Chorus in New Jersey middle- and high-school), there have been guitars about, along with playback equipment that does the music justice.

Our youngest was just about a year old, and I played this:





She'd never heard it before, and every time the song got to the chorus, she teared up. Every. Time.

That helped my understand why I get verklempt when I hear the opening bars of Beethoven's 6th (The Pastoral), or Barber's Adagio, or Ravel's Pavane for a Dead Princess or even Ashokan Farewell (written in 1982 although it feels and sounds much older).


Word.

You post started me thinking about why an infant would cry over lyrics, and realized that was a critical misconception:

She was crying over the wistful timbre of the chorus, the sound of the voices, without even comprehending the words.

Why? Because an infant comes into this world possessed of nothing more than the 5 basic senses and a not-quite-fully-developed processing unit to start assigning priorities to the various inputs.

We've all built up a ton of sensory memories long before we ever started to learn words to define 'em, and they're stored differently than the stuff we learn "verbally".

All that forms the bedrock of our awareness, what some have called the subconscious or later "pre-conscious", I prefer the term "pre-verbal".

One of the 5 basic senses: Sound.

It hit me that quite likely, going as far back into our evolutionary roots as anthropology has found so far, the first most significant and recognizable sound to an infant is its mothers coos and whispers. A human voice.

(And the fact that it's female just hit me with all kinds of implications, but that's for another thread. :D )

All that cooing and coaxing begins to imprint the emotions associated with the tone of voice, long before we ever actually learn to talk.

Drums and rhythm are well and good but somehow the shamans intuited that singing and songs were the most potent form of rousing emotion in primitive cultures.

One modern example I can think of is the rain chant leading into Santana's "Soul Sacrifice" at Woodstock.

But ironically, given my emphasis on the importance of the voice, "Soul Sacrifice" is a pure instrumental.
One of the most significant musical experiences of my life, when I first saw it. Why that music?

Because it evoked feelings in me. It resonated with some deep inner self, as if I'd lived before and was finding myself again.

Lotsa music gave me great euphoria:
The first time I heard "I Can See For Miles" on the AM radio took me instantly back to one of my favorite experiences as a young lad:
the hyperventilated adrenaline rush from riding my bike in the cool spring air a couple of hours after a shower, looking at the billowing clouds lining up over the valley in rows, with sunlight shining between the waves in the sky. The mountains visible in crystal clarity even 15 miles away.

So for that one, yes the words were key to the memory, but if the music hadn't grabbed me I quite likely never would have paid attention to it.

Sure we all get programmed to the musical tastes of our cultures and to associate meaning with words, which then further color the "meaning" of music they accompany, but a lot or dare I say most music transcends cultural boundaries and can be appreciated by other cultures, or at least recognized as "music".

it reaches down there where we feel things all human beings feel, and pushes the buttons.

:)
 

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I don't know about all the why's but when I'm listening to music I really like, I just want to crawl inside it. The Seger CD earlier this evening was like that.
 
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