Westerly Guild 12-string on the Way

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Well, in hopes to forever cure my GAS, I just snagged, off of eBay, what I am hoping will be the final component of my GAS cure - an '83 Westerly Guild D212 in sunburst finish. I bought a GAD G212 a couple of years ago, but I knew very little about Guild at the time. After realizing it was a Chinese-made guitar, built by Fender, I started to learn more about Guild. Ever since, I have been practically obsessed with learning about what makes a Westerly Guild 12-string so special. I like dreads for both the feel and the cool factor, and, after seeing both Tom Petty and Paul Westerberg playing the D212 model, I decided to look for one. It will arrive next week. It appears to be in very good shape, although I am concerned that some surprises await upon arrival. We'll see. I may finally be one of the few who are in a position to compare the GADs to the "real" Guilds. We shall see ... Steve-O.
 

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I was watching that one too, but just in my own little fascination fantasy land. Congratulations! Looks real nice. Have to agree with you too... if this model is good enough for both Petty & Westerberg, it's good enough for me. Please report back after you get it.
 

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Congratulations Steve; sounds like a nice choice and fingers crossed here for a 'No Surprises' arrival. cj
 

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I bought my first 12-string in 23 years - a '70 F-212. I love this guitar. Cherry-stained mahogany body, spruce top. Not the dreadnought body, but mini-jumbo size. It sounds old, kinda like a dusty sound. Very jangly, even with the mods I did on it.

Namely, all the first four strings are unison, and the high octave strings for the 5th and 6th strings are removed, leaving only the standard wound strings in place. It is in essence a 10-string guitar.

I have a '82 D-50, love the sound, and can't imagine how good it would sound as a 12-string, which is what you have on the way.

Keep us informed as to when it comes, and how it sounds. Good luck.
 
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I think your going to be so into it. I bought one on Ebay a few months ago, a 1974 G212 which I believe is the same guitar you bought, the G designation changed to D at some point. To my ears and fingers there is not much of a comparison to the GADs currently sold. Good luck with it.
 
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I was watching a John Mayer concert, and he had a dreadnought 6-string. It looked like a D40 (which is similar to the D212, right?). Great guitar.
 

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steverok said:
Well, in hopes to forever cure my GAS, I just snagged, off of eBay, what I am hoping will be the final component of my GAS cure - an '83 Westerly Guild D212 in sunburst finish. I bought a GAD G212 a couple of years ago, but I knew very little about Guild at the time. After realizing it was a Chinese-made guitar, built by Fender, I started to learn more about Guild. Ever since, I have been practically obsessed with learning about what makes a Westerly Guild 12-string so special. I like dreads for both the feel and the cool factor, and, after seeing both Tom Petty and Paul Westerberg playing the D212 model, I decided to look for one. It will arrive next week. It appears to be in very good shape, although I am concerned that some surprises await upon arrival. We'll see. I may finally be one of the few who are in a position to compare the GADs to the "real" Guilds. We shall see ... Steve-O.

Congrats Steverok. I checked that one out too. Glad an LTGer scored. Sure looks nice!
 

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Come on, even the worst GASsers, at some point, start to hit a "steady-state", don't they? I mean, once you own nearly every cool guitar on the planet, where do you go from there ? I figure, once you own a Westerly Guild 12-string, you're at least 25 to 50 % there, right ?
 

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Hi Steve, congrats again on your new guitar .... but ... sorry to say, no. "One Guild will not GAS abate" Famous Saying

Even more true if it's Guild GAS. Enjoy your new 12-string while you can but don't expect the GAS to evaporate .... :wink: cj
 

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steverok said:
Come on, even the worst GASsers, at some point, start to hit a "steady-state", where do you go from there ?


Mandolins, or even worse...banjos :mrgreen:

There's always SOMETHING new to buy.
 

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cjd-player said:
steverok said:
Come on, even the worst GASsers, at some point, start to hit a "steady-state", where do you go from there ?


Mandolins, or even worse...banjos :mrgreen:

Oh there's worse.

Much worse.













"off-brand tube amps".
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Dying ? My guess is it will arrive via USPS on Wedensday, but I won't be home, so, I'll have to go pick it up on Thursday. Then, I have to let it thaw out before opening it. I'd also like to change the strings, clean it, and photograph it, but my CD release party is Saturday, so, I may not have time until next week. Please hold on until then.
 

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steverok said:
Dying ? My guess is it will arrive via USPS on Wedensday, but I won't be home, so, I'll have to go pick it up on Thursday. Then, I have to let it thaw out before opening it. I'd also like to change the strings, clean it, and photograph it, but my CD release party is Saturday, so, I may not have time until next week. Please hold on until then.

+1 Dave, we haven't cashed your dues cheque yet. :wink:
 

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I got the guitar today ('83 D212 SB), opened it up, and played it some. A few observations :

(1) The nut appears to have been replaced. The material is very white for a 25-year-old guitar, but it plays excellent - the string separation and action at the nut are very comfortable for me.

(2) The saddle, on the other hand, is very yellow, and has little to no room left for lowering, but it doesn't need any. The neck seems to be held on solid, and seems straight. Actually, the overall playability is superb. I love the neck.

(3) The finish around the soundhole rosette seems to be peeling a bit. A small piece of the finish has come off near the neck joint. Would like to repair this, but could be tricky on a sunburst.

(4) There is a sticker on the headstock, from the original store that sold it in 1983. It says "The Organ Center". It actually doesn't clash too badly with the Guild headstcok, but I would rather remove it. Isn't there some sort of substance used for pickguard removal, that can get glue off, without damaging the finish of the headstock? I recall it was called "nap" something or other.

The burst is much darker than on the eBay photos, but it is smokey cool looking. The pickguard is in wonderful shape and looks glossy fabulous. The body of the guitar is beautiful, and the back of the neck is very smooth. The headstock inlay is grand. I love it.

Now, let's talk about sound. The strings are not too old, so I can judge it against my GAD G212. I think the GAD may be a little louder. The bass notes of the Westerly D212 seem to sustain more, which is something I was hoping for. Also, the intonation and tunefulness of the Westerly seems to be a bit better, especially on the fretted B course. The Westerly may be a bit smoother sounding, but the GAD may be snappier, or crisper sounding. I have to play it some more, but right now, I would have to say that their sounds are comparable. In fact, I have played several 12-strings, including a Westerly JF30-12, Martin DX1-12, Martin J15-12, Taylor 355, Taylor 855, and the guitar that I would say my Westerly sounds the most like is my GAD G212. After tuning my D212, holding it, and strumming the first chord, it all seemed very familiar. My GAD has a new bone nut & saddle, and an excellent-sounding K&K pure-western pick-up installed. If it had the nicer Westerly headstock, the nitro finish, and the old Westerly pickguard, it would look "almost" as cool as the D212. Given that the D212 is no longer made, the next closest thing on the market today would have to be the GAD G212. In fact, if you were to ask me today, I would say that the GAD, while not being as cool as a vintage Guild, is comparable in terms of sound, feel, and playability ... and it says Guild. It is, therefore, to me, a Guild. I will likely hang on to both of them. That's not a problem.

I will post some pictures in a day or two, when I get a chance.
 

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I believe you're thinking of "namptha" as seen here;

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Just soak the sticker, and with a little prodding it should come right off!
 
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