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Do any of you fine folks come across nearly belligerent people that insist that 50’s Guilds have a “Gibson headstock”. This has come up a few times in some of the Facebook groups. I know they are similar, but…?
 

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Yeah, p23 in Hans' hardcover edition discusses the evolution away from the Gibson-esque headstocks (a.k.a "lip top"). I'm just guessing, but maybe Guild wanted their own identity rather than it being a result of pressure from Gibson or maybe Epiphone.
 

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Do any of you fine folks come across nearly belligerent people that insist that 50’s Guilds have a “Gibson headstock”. This has come up a few times in some of the Facebook groups. I know they are similar, but…?

In another realm someone pointed out that we can observe something but not necessarily understand the reasons why it is that way. The headstock shapes can be similar but so what? Is there an accusation that Guild copied Gibson? If so, does it matter?
 

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Nothing worse than an authentic Gibson troll...

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Nothing worse than an authentic Gibson troll...

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Didn't one land here once? Proud of having quit the Gibson forum? (I always wondered if their mods actually wound up breathing a sigh of relief...) Ultimately wound up finding our members no more tolerant of bottom fishing?
 

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Didn't one land here once? Proud of having quit the Gibson forum? (I always wondered if their mods actually wound up breathing a sigh of relief...) Ultimately wound up finding our members no more tolerant of bottom fishing?

Yes, I recall that but have no desire to dredge up his trollish posts with a search.

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One thing I will say is that there's far more Gibson hate out there than Guild hate. A lot of the angst directed at Gibson is well-deserved, but a lot of it isn't too. I think that Gibsons can be very hit or miss, but when they're good, they're very good!
 

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Despite the WTF were they thinking moments, I like what they were doing up until the early to mid 60s. I like to treat the acoustic part of their business as separate, but must admit, hooking their high end guitar models to the Slash wagon is puzzling. Doubling production might not go so well either. Their mandolin business has been left alone....so far. Even in the banner years, the build quality was never Martin good. But the sound of a good one is like nothing else. Certainly a company you can love to hate.
 

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Since the ‘70s, Gibsons & Guilds have been my favorite acoustics, with Martin a rather distant third (in particular, Gibson’s short-scale mini-jumbo, roundsoulder, & LG bodies). Toying-with or flat-out copying the successful designs of other companies has been done forever, and can sometimes lead to positive embellishments or product improvements throughout the market. Here’s one of my favorite Guildish adaptations from a 1981 M-340:

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I realize in many eras Gibson has had issues. But they created so many iconic guitars in the '50's and early '60's, they are still riding that wave today. Things would look quite different in the world of guitars if they never existed.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Al Dronge start his guitar building at Gibson or Epiphone?
If he did, that may be why his early guitars had a Gibson look to them.

I will go one step farther and say that to me some of the early Guild guitars had a Gibsonish sound to them.
The good Gibsonish sound!
 

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Yes, I recall that but have no desire to dredge up his trollish posts with a search.

walrus
Ooooohhhh!!! Do I sense a hint of...bitterness, Jeff? :eek: :D

Not that I'd disagree, but also why I didn't name name. Which is snarky enough in its own right to say that, so I'll just muzzle myself now. :devilish:

I like the "lips" headstocks. :)
 
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