Tacoma built F-412 or F-512 ???

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OK fellow Guild lovers, if you were to have a choice, which one would you own - and why? I have never played either model, but have owned a Westerly JF30-12 that sounded pretty good. I am especially curious about the Rosewood version...possibly more in the bass department maybe?? I am seeking your opinion if you own, or have played either of these guitars, and I thank you in advance for your comments....Jim
 

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I've had My hands on both........F412 is sweet toned, but the Rosewood F512 is the real deal in my opinion. Of course, some like it hot, some like it cold. :wink:
 

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....Well....thats one for the 512....I'm thinking overtones on the Rosewood might be intresting....Thanks Doc for your input...Jim
 

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tacoma001 said:
....Well....thats one for the 512....I'm thinking overtones on the Rosewood might be intresting....Thanks Doc for your input...Jim

Many moons ago, (early '70's) I used to race motocross at Ravenna, Ohio.....and at Ashtabula too. Oops! Back on topic! :oops:
 

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Tough question for me to answer. I have a 512 which has great sound, but I also got to play Scratch's JF-30-12 and california's JF-65-12 which, although they are not the 412 they are maple jumbos and were fabuolous to play. They both sounded wonderful and were very easy to play.

Plus I'm on a maple kick lately. :shock:
 

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tacoma001 said:
OK fellow Guild lovers, if you were to have a choice, which one would you own - and why? I have never played either model, but have owned a Westerly JF30-12 that sounded pretty good. I am especially curious about the Rosewood version...possibly more in the bass department maybe?? I am seeking your opinion if you own, or have played either of these guitars, and I thank you in advance for your comments....Jim

I am completely in love with my Tacoma-built 2006 F512, Jim. Trust me, you cannot go wrong!
 

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I've got both, love 'em both, but if I had to pick just one, it's the F-512. No contest.

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Doc, that was the Ohio International - out near the Ravenna Arsenal, and although I never raced there I had attended many of the events there to watch my neighbor race. So I probably saw you out there!! I graduated in '73 - also may moons ago...
Well I am wondering also about the midrange of the 512. It seems the Rosewood is pulling ahead at this point, so I am starting to lean this way. Thanks again eveyone...Jim K
 

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Tacoma, I absolutely love my (Maple) JF30-12; and I absolutely love my (RW) 512. Hope this helps! :?
 

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Graham said:
Tough question for me to answer. I have a 512 which has great sound, but I also got to play Scratch's JF-30-12 and california's JF-65-12 which, although they are not the 412 they are maple jumbos and were fabuolous to play. They both sounded wonderful and were very easy to play.

Plus I'm on a maple kick lately. :shock:

Staying true to your Canuckian roots, are you? :mrgreen:
 

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GuildFS4612CE said:
Graham said:
Tough question for me to answer. I have a 512 which has great sound, but I also got to play Scratch's JF-30-12 and california's JF-65-12 which, although they are not the 412 they are maple jumbos and were fabuolous to play. They both sounded wonderful and were very easy to play.

Plus I'm on a maple kick lately. :shock:

Staying true to your Canuckian roots, are you? :mrgreen:

Yeah, pancakes with a Guild, no better way to start the day eh? :wink:
 

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My ear prefers the sound of a maple 12 vs rosewood. SO...

I went with a new F-412 last summer and have been LOVING it ever since!

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tacoma001 said:
OK fellow Guild lovers, if you were to have a choice, which one would you own - and why? I have never played either model, but have owned a Westerly JF30-12 that sounded pretty good. I am especially curious about the Rosewood version...possibly more in the bass department maybe?? I am seeking your opinion if you own, or have played either of these guitars, and I thank you in advance for your comments....Jim

In 1984, I was given a chance to purchase a brand new F-412 for $1200, or a two year old F-512 for $1300. Both guitars were from the same high end acoustic guitar shop (Mandolin Bros.), and the choice was hard to make. $1200 was a lot for me at that time, and I was leaning toward a new guitar, as opposed to a used one for more money.
The used F-512 was a rosewood model, warmer sounding, a little heavier; the F-412 was maple, prettier, lighter, and brand new.
I went with the F-412, the maple guitar. Ended up not liking it so much for a couple of reasons: it was a bit big for me (as would have been the F-512), it was too bright sounding, not much bottom end at all, and after about a half hour of playing it, my fingers were so raw that I had to put it down. I ended up selling it to the friend who loaned me the money to buy it in the first place. He is happy with it, and has it to this day.
I wish I had gone with the F-512, for the warmer sound, more bass. However, the other problems would have been there as the F-412.
I am a small person, and my wife has since told me that the big jumbo guitars don't look good on me. At this time I was also playing my '82 D-50, which has since that time up to now, has been my main axe.
I have since gotten ahold of a smaller body F-212, from 1970. It has the "smaller shouldered" mini jumbo body, and with the warm but jangly sound, the smaller size, the less weight, this guitar is perfect for me.
If I had to do it all over, knowing what I do now, I would search out a new model F-212, or I would have taken the F-512, for the more bass, for the F412 had less bottom end.
Maybe they have changed their sound since the '80's.
But that is my experience.
 

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I can't speak comparitively on the 12 string side of things, but I have had both maple and rosewood Guild jumbos and drednaughts in both maple and rosewood.

Rosewood wins every time, hands down. So when I go for another Guild 12 string, it will be a rosewood jumbo - i.e., F 512.

Westerly that is, unless I can find Hoboken. And a 612 will trump them all. Dream on.

CK
 

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Metalman,

No question the F412/512 are big boys, but did you ever try adjusting your 412 to make it more playable for you? I do notice that my new 512 is set up with fairly high action. I'm considering doing some saddle scraping and some basic setup work when I do my first string change.

The sound.... The sound is just remarkable. It's actually a good thing I never played jumbos back in 1981 when I bought my first 12-string. I would've been drawn to this guitar, and it would've gotten the better of me. :)

I wonder if Guild every tried a short scale version of this model (with the same body, etc.). Anyone know? I'll bet it would work nicely.

Best wishes.
 

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Chazmo said:
Metalman,

No question the F412/512 are big boys, but did you ever try adjusting your 412 to make it more playable for you? I do notice that my new 512 is set up with fairly high action. I'm considering doing some saddle scraping and some basic setup work when I do my first string change.

Chazmo,

At that time, 23 years ago, I probably had the action down to where it was as comfortable as possible; that was a long time ago, and I don't really remember. It might not have made as much a difference in the "duration-playing", for lack of a better term.
Nowadays, I do all my own custom setups: neck adjustments, saddle scraping, nut cutting, fret filing, etc. everything, in fact that is the first thing I do when I get a guitar - take it apart and redo the setup.

I have since played the jumbo Guilds now and then, 6-string and 12-string, and can't get used to the big body. I have been spoiled by my F-30, and now my F-212 (with the smaller early '70s small shouldered jumbo body), I found my size and niche!
 

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Scratch said:
I'd love to see Guild come up with a Tacoma-made Grand Auditorium RW.

Just remake the F-312, and everybody will be happy! While they're at it, make two versions: one with rosewood, and one with pearwood. Make mine with Red spruce top, please . . .
 
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