T-50 question

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Hello all. I'm a bit curious about this model. I may have a chance to trade for one. Have never seen or heard a T-50. This one is claimed to be a '59, does have the Franz p/u. Claimed to be in good condition. Any comments on tone, playability of these?

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That's one of the models on my wish list. Jay Pilzer had one for sale at Arlington last year and I liked it a lot. It had a nice, though soft, acoustic sound, which would work for late night practicing. I didn't plug it in, though. I think it can be a very versatile axe, suitable for a lot of different styles. What are you thinking of trading for it?
 

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Guildmark: The seller has a couple guitars I might be interested in (T-50 is the priciest of them), so it kinda depends on what appeals to me most. I have a few items I'd consider trading. Still in the decision phase on all of this:

Roland RE-201 Space Echo
Clark Tyger (tweed bandmaster amp)
Rickenbacker Academy lap steel, late 40s

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I had one about 15 months ago. A '65 closet classic. Chrome soapbar pickup. I really liked its acoustic sound, as Mark mentions. So I put a set of medium PB's on it which brought out all its acoustic potential. I sold it because I can't keep everything, but it is fondly remembered. I consider it to be the guitar that turned me on to the Hoboken archtops generally.
 

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Guildzilla - a 1965 T-50 "closet classic"? And you sold me a 1965 X-50 "closet classic"... Where do you find these things???!!

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Well, your X-50 was a once-in-a-blue-mooner. Came to me in an e-Bay auction from a very shaky seller who scared off the bidding competition. But he was an Ohio doofus (not a dickweed) and I took a shot.

The T-50 wasn't quite in the same class, but it was really nice. Had been a HS kid's jazz band guitar in the 60's then sat in the closet for 40 years.
 

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The T-50 was a "new student" guitar. Why do I say that? Well.....because it was the first guitar I ever owned. Mine was a blonde T-50 that was probably 65-66 vintage. I traded it toward my Studio 302 in 1969 (well, my parents traded it....). I "needed" a cutaway guitar, so the trade. Even the 302 was considered a student guitar. I don't quite know what makes it a student guitar.....

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Maybe Guild and Gibson both used the "student model" designation to boost interest in their higher end guitars during the '60s. Kinda sorta like GM with the Chevy-Pontiac-Olds-Caddy hierarchy but without the planned obsolescence. All the guitars made in Hoboken or Kalamazoo were built to last, regardless of position on the marketing totem pole.

For sure, whether talking about Guild A-50, X-50 and T-50 or Gibson ES-125 and ES-125T guitars, the build and finish standard was still remarkably high. Almost 50 years later, these guitars continue to impress. Ditto with the 3/4 guitars and entry level classical guitars that both companies made.

The marketing logic for archtops seemed to be to sell a player a student model without a cutaway and build brand loyalty that would bring the player back when he decided he was ready for a "professional model" - a Capri, Starfire, etc. on the Guild side, or an ES-175, etc. on the Gibson side - with a cutaway, two pickups and more bling.
 

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Shoot, that means I'm still not ready for a "professional" cutaway model since I am playing my X-50 all the time!

And neither was Grant Green, apparently...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKW40qCeql8&NR=1


Just teasing, zilla, I think you are absolutely correct in your assessment of their marketing. Based on some of the "student models" I've seen out there today, the marketing may be the same, but the quality of the entry level guitar has gone way way down.

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here's a pic of my T-50
I'm totally happy with it
it sounds beautiful clean, prone to feedback on an overdriven amp,
lightweight guitar that is so comfortable to play
the Franz PU sounds like a P90, but more clean and less mid hump
it does handle overdrive very well, but I alrady mentioned it easily tends to feedback
the ultimate axe when into blues or jazz
I have flatwounds on mine

T50_3.jpg
 
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